Hi Conny, I wrote:
> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor. Calling Nigel a "junior developer" was a joke on his age, and not a try to actively misleading you. It is the common practice, that the announcement / question on the core lists happens, when developers become a "Medior member" and get commit rights. And also for the record, I do not share the opinion eg. Lutz gave on the lists, that Lars and you are no active members of the project anymore, and therefore should have no votes. What I wrote was an answer to Lars: > To put that straight, you left the current eGroupWare code base and > now want to object against people trying to help maintaining and > improving it? I still value your and Lars contribution to the eGroupWare codebase and specially your non-code contributions as website, wiki and forum. I have a problem with the dogmatic approach of eGroupware20, as it calls the whole project to a waiting stage, 'til it's ready for a vote. But all this is beside the point of this thread, which is about making Nigel a "Medior member" of the eGroupWare project. I can not see he's dealt with any different from all other developers I added to the project before, beside of cause of Lars objection. If you want to call for a vote about the decision to make Nigel a Medior member, I will second you (so you dont need to get the required 20% of the members to second your request to vote), as I'm sure I dealed with this case the same way I did as with all similar requests in the last years. Ralf Cornelius Weiss schrieb: > Hi Ralf, > > you requested to add Nigel as junior member. According to our rules, > junior members have no access to svn. If you had requested to add nigel > as medior member, i would have objected also. > > My intend is not to flame on the lists. This was the reason i keeped > quied an thought: well, with him as junior member i have no problem, we > can defer the discusson of adding him as medior or full member, as air > in this project is hot enough atm. > > I'm realy disappointed, that you make missleading and wrong accusations > about me on the list! I have not left the project! I'm active part of > it! I spend so much hours in coding, the new website, the wiki, the > fourms the list-bridges and so on. Also in the relativly short time i'm > activly contributing code, i allready hold 5% of the codebase. And right > now i want to help in makeing eGroupWare more usable und more stable. > And again, it cost me very much. I do a lot of coding for egw in my > spare time! > > After all we reached togehter in the project, i'm extreamly > disappointed, that you treat me now as an outsider and that you don't > care about my opinion on Nigel. You know exactly that i'm waiting for an > apology from him and that i made this to an precondition for working > with him again. > > If you remeber the thing we had in the beginning of this year. Please > check the archives and see that i allways defended you and our your > position even thogh i was not of your opinion and internally i sometimes > thought that the accuations you got where right. But I understand it as > a part of being community that we stand together even if we are not of > the same opinion. > > I hope that you get my point now and can uderstand why am such gutted. > > cu > conny > > > Ralf Becker schrieb: >> Hi Conny, >> >> sorry, miss your point (beside the accusations with the bucks ...) >> >> Nigel has send about a dozen patches in the area of FMail, egw-pear and >> SyncML. These patches have been reviewed and commited by Klaus or me, >> that is the first stage in our NewMembers document you linked. >> >> Now Klaus and I think he's ready to get commit rights (next stage in the >> official process) and to be added as project member. >> >> That the procedure I followed since that rules have been drafted. Review >> this list and the commit logs, and you will see the announcement on the >> core list always happens at that stage and the new devels got commit >> rights with the condition to negotiate all commit with their mentors >> beforehand. >> >> And before the next accusation comes: making a Nigel a developer is a >> reaction on your announcements, please look at the dates (it's well >> before you/metaways send the announcement). >> >> And for the record, I received no money from anyone before asking on >> this list to make him a developer. What I received from Nigel was a >> bunch of patched, who helped the community alot to cope with the >> problems of the dropped support for FMail and SyncML by it's developer. >> >> Ralf >> >> Cornelius Weiss schrieb: >> >>> Hi Ralf, >>> >>> it's a shame that you sell your friends and companions for the bucks >>> stylite pays you! You force us to talk about dirty detailes on public >>> lists. The looser is the project itslef, and that hurts me as i >>> personally spend 100dreds of my spare hours to help the community grow. >>> >>> Please realise that we have roules in our project anybody (this implies >>> you) has to stick to! >>> http://www.egroupware.org/index.php?page_name=wiki&wikipage=NewMembers >>> >>> I request you to deprive Nigel commit rights to our SVN if you have a >>> small rest of social braveness. >>> >>> cu >>> (a humanely disappointed) Conny >>> >>> Ralf Becker schrieb: >>> >>>> As there have been no further objections, I added Nigel to the list of >>>> project members and assigned him commit rights for our svn repository. >>>> >>>> Hi Nigel, >>>> >>>> welcome on board the eGroupWare project :-) >>>> >>>> Please create a developer checkout (see >>>> www.egroupware.org/wiki/subversion) and negotiate all your commits 'til >>>> you become a full senior developer with Me or Klaus. >>>> >>>> I'm looking forward to more FMail and SyncML fixes or improvements. >>>> >>>> Ralf >>>> >>>> Ralf Becker schrieb: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from >>>>> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year. >>>>> >>>>> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail. >>>>> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches. >>>>> >>>>> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor. >>>>> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects. >>>>> >>>>> Ralf >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper >>> from Novell. 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