At 07:58 AM 10/21/99 -0500, Steve Demuth wrote:
>Some vendors have this capability in their CORBA orbs.  Visigenic's orb,
>e.g. can (pretty much tranparently) wrap IIOP in HTTP or HTTPS to tunnel
>through client firewalls.

         Wrapping IIOP in HTTP seems extremely inefficient.

         Are we all accepting HTTP as the only way to communicate on the web?
         Yeah, I know... its firewall-friendly; but its so slow.

>My concern about this approach, whether it's SOAP or HTTP tunneling of IIOP
>is that it's a cobbled together solution for what should be a non-problem.
>  We need to do a lot of evangalism in the corporate security community to
>convincingly demonstrate that properly configured, IIOP channels in their
>firewalls (and around their proxy servers!) are no more (and probably
>less), dangerous than the ubiquitous HTTP on port 80.  The only reason
>we're even tempted to migrate to doing RMI/RPC via HTTP is because it's the
>lowest common denominator for security.

         YES!!!!!  Bingo!

         I never understood all the corporate people saying that HTTP was safe
         when everyone was tunnelling (wrapping) their favorite protocols and
         getting in!

>As far as SOAP as a way to tie together CORBA, RMI and DCOM is concerned: I
>doubt that's Microsofts goal.  Even if it is, XML is a small part of the
>solution.  Any of us could write code to re-marshal and un-marshal IIOP or
>DCOM into XML very easily.  But these three protocols are not semantically
>equivalent, and you can bridge them only with significant effort, or by
>applying (again) a least common denominator approach that throws away as
>much as it salvages.

         Steve... if you run for president, I'm voting for you...

         Unless, of course, Pamela Anderson decides... well, you understand.

         Frank G.
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