Steve Demuth sez:
 >Some vendors have this capability in their CORBA orbs.  Visigenic's orb,
 >e.g. can (pretty much tranparently) wrap IIOP in HTTP or HTTPS to tunnel
 >through client firewalls.

        Gees... wrapping IIOP in HTTP seems extremely inefficient.

        Are we all accepting HTTP as the only way to communicate on the web?
        Yeah, I know... its firewall-friendly; but its soooo slow.

 >My concern about this approach, whether it's SOAP or HTTP tunneling of IIOP
 >is that it's a cobbled together solution for what should be a non-problem.
 >  We need to do a lot of evangalism in the corporate security community to
 >convincingly demonstrate that properly configured, IIOP channels in their
 >firewalls (and around their proxy servers!) are no more (and probably
 >less), dangerous than the ubiquitous HTTP on port 80.  The only reason
 >we're even tempted to migrate to doing RMI/RPC via HTTP is because it's the
 >lowest common denominator for security.

        YES!!!!!  Bingo!

        I never understood all the corporate people saying that HTTP was safe
        when everyone was tunnelling (wrapping) their favorite protocols and
        joining the party.  "Hi, I'm IIOP... don't worry, I'm cool.  I came
        with HTTP and his buddy HTTPS.  I promise not to drink too much...
        heh...heh... "

 >As far as SOAP as a way to tie together CORBA, RMI and DCOM is concerned: I
 >doubt that's Microsofts goal.  Even if it is, XML is a small part of the
 >solution.  Any of us could write code to re-marshal and un-marshal IIOP or
 >DCOM into XML very easily.  But these three protocols are not semantically
 >equivalent, and you can bridge them only with significant effort, or by
 >applying (again) a least common denominator approach that throws away as
 >much as it salvages.

        Steve... if you run for president, I'm voting for you...

        Unless, of course, Pamela Anderson decides... well, you understand.

        Frank G.
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