Hi!

Javier Borrajo wrote:
> Java applets are heavy in use of client RAM,
> network download is a problem,

Not with JDK1.3.

> browser compatibility is a headache,

Use the plugin.

> client installation raises doubts about
> being real thin clients,

Do you count caching of applets as client installation? Isn't this
basically what the W2K installer does?

> and then any Java programmer can put business rules
> in his/her applet code.

With the emphasis on *can*. The more powerful tool you use, the more
possibilities to screw up. No surprise there.

> HTML 4.0 clients look good because RAM use is what the browser will use
> anyway, and DHTML, HTML Data Binding, XML, RDS etc provide
> lots of functionality and user interactivity. Of course the programmer can
> abuse this power and put business rules in the client, but then it is a
> question of
> good SW engineering to avoid it.

As above then?

> Conclusion: IMHO a good SW developer can develop usable clients
> with DHTML/RDS/etc if the user can standardize on IE4/5.

And if you cannot? (I.e. internet scenario)

> The same SW engineer will face a lot of problems
> with JDK 1.1 clients because of RAM use and download times.

Why do you compare the latest IE with old Java? The plugin is available
for use now.

> Of course some functionality just cannot be done with HTML 4.0
> but if it can be done, we want to do it. MicroSoft is doing a
> great job expanding the limits of what HTML clients can do
> -- guess why? ;-)

Let me guess: because they do what they always do, and try to force
everyone to use IE5?

> BTW in my experience there is little risk of business-rule violations
> because of DHTML browser incompatiblities.
"Little risk"? I'd like zero risk, thank you very much.

> The client either
> works fine or does not work at all. It is possible to check USER_AGENT
> headers at the server or use several client side tricks to work around
> incompatiblities.

Why use tricks? They take an enourmous amount of time to come up with,
and you have to keep adding them as time goes.

> It's a shame Navigator is so behind in implementing W3C standards
> so that we must rely on IE4/5.

I beg to differ on the "must" thing, but a new Navigator version would
be nice, yes.

regards,
  Rickard

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