John,
I totally agree with you that its the job of sales people to sell
products and marketing hype, spin are part of it. Yeah, its in the best
interest of "Sun" to say that EJB, JINI , JDO & others are complimentary and
are not parallel technologies. This way we buy all of their product lines.
It suits so well for them to make a marketing pitch like that. Yeah, its in
the best interests of the commercial EJB vendors to push technologies like
Entity Beans.It is more complicated to implement and maintain and so they
earn their money by providing support for it. In fact most of the EJB
vendors differentiate themselves from others, in the kind of support their
products give for Entity Beans(including clustering). It definitely suits
them to make a sales pitch of this sort, targeted towards developers.
In the end its upto the Manager/Architect to dig deep through all
these layers of marketing hype & spin to implement what they actually need.
I wouldn't even make an analogy with the commercial vendors as big
SUV's or trucks and the Open source vendors as the Civics & Mini's. I would
compare the Open Source vendors more to public transportations like trains,
buses or aircrafts. Yes, public transports would take everybody in a less
fancier way to the same destination. But, yeah it would take you there
faster, cheaper & with much less frustration. Still, some of them would
insist that they need to hear music in their six speaker stereo system while
going to work. As you can see both these parallels will always exist in this
world, just like MS & Linux. No point in taking sides here, its upto us to
get and use what we exactly need.
Winston.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bateman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [EJB-INT] Decline of the EJB civilization?
> Hi
>
> My comments to this article are that alot of the people buying the
products
> may not be sufficiently informed to buy 'only what they need'.
>
> Marketing hype and vendor loyalty do go a long way in getting sales.
Support
> could be another reason. I KNOW I'm going to get better (but more
expensive)
> suport from say IBM than some of the Open Source free projects out there.
> Calling someone you have a contract with goes a lot farther in ensuring
you
> getn an answer then the whim of some group of programmers on an open
source
> project.
>
> Additionally, do you want to buy just what you need when you have to
> consider that requirements MAY change in the future? Personally I think
it's
> better to buy something you can grow into then to buy something you grow
out
> of in no time.
>
> Now, I don't beleive you have to buy Websphere or Weblogic if you're
writing
> a site that has one dynamic page that shows inventory on your limited 10
> item database. But if I'm building a corporate wide application with lots
of
> data persistance, then trying to get ONLY exactly what I need... ouch, I'd
> be hangin myself if the requirements changed. (And they always do).
>
> Lastly, as for the 'why do people buy something they don't need'... I
always
> think 'why do we buy Off road trucks and SUV's simply to ride to and from
> work in the city'? Heck, most of the population could get by riding Honda
> Civics, Austin Mini's and Toyota Tercels.. but we go for the beasts.
>
> Maybe this could be some form of IT maschismo.. "Oh, you guys only use
Resin
> at your place? Well <BOLD>I'M</BOLD> using Websphere 19.0 with distributed
> clustering on 14 AS/400's" (grunt, grunt grunt)
>
> I don't think so Tim!!
>
>
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