Thanks Marc,
I hadn't thought of the import idea before, but it makes a lot of sense.
marc fleury wrote:
>
> > (2) I agree with Dan that EJBoss is not a part of my beans, but what if
> > I use BMP via calls to Jaws (I know I shouldn't) or use jnp as a general
> > JNDI provider for non EJB objects. Am I in danger?
>
> No for JNP (you would use JNDI)
>
> However if you do an import jBoss.jaws then yes.
>
> Same as javax.ejb your work is a derivative of the import you do (you
> include jndi in this case). You can run on us and others.
>
> WE do not bring you anything as we implement it. GPL protects what is
> under the covers and that means the operating system itself. What we
> want is a "bubble" in which you are sure that all the community will see
> and share in the code. To provide a loophole in that bubble is of no
> interest to us (aka FreeBSD, LGPL). The propagation outside that bubble
> is non-existent, and Java makes that possible. A strict reading of the
> spec (definition of work = your work) and the precedent set by
> day-to-day usage of Linux should be a no-brainer... do you see the FSF
> (Free Software Foundation, author of the GPL and stuff) up in arms
> banging on Oracle for running on Linux? Did you ever hear their
> lawyers? no because the GPL doesn't cover Work as package/runtime but
> Work as code. Why our situation would be any different is beyond me.
>
> The really nice thing with Java is that we have a clear rule "if you
> import you're it, if not you are not". Jini is another case as it
> bypasses the imports altogether (bypasses the interfaces). All the
> reflection API poses a question, but we are not in that sphere... (you
> never reflect our classes). At least when you work on interfaces you
> have a clean definition and separation. Your beans import javax.ejb,
> javax.jndi, your work is a derivative of SUN's not ours and it is not
> reflexive. We both derivate from SUN we never knew each other before.
> GPL propagates down a tree of dependencies, not UP, so the "viral"
> nature is uni-directional.
>
> marc
>
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > PS. By the way congrats to the jboss team, I have just started using it
> > and am very impressed with the project.
> >
> > Dan OConnor wrote:
> > >
> > > On 10 May 00, at 18:34, Mats Lofkvist wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If you distribute a package consisting of jboss and a set of
> > > > proprietary beans, it should be even easier to argue that the GPL
> > > > applies to all of it.
> > > >
> > > > So imho the text on the web site should be changed to clearly
> > > > describe that jboss can _not_ be used with non-GPL'd beans.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mats,
> > >
> > > You bring up some interesting issues, but this last one isn't a
> > > close call. Your beans don't contain jBoss; jBoss contains your
> > > beans. Proprietary applications can run on Linux. Proprietary
> > > beans can run on jBoss. We need to make this absolutely clear to
> > > everyone, so we don't scare off our users.
> > >
> > > Hi users. You can run your non-GPL'd beans on jBoss. No matter
> > > what.
> > >
> > > This is absolutely consistent with the GPL, in my opinion. If
> > > someone ever convinced us it wasn't, we would need to add a new
> > > license (to the growing horde) that allowed for it. But again, I
> > > strongly believe this isn't necessary.
> > >
> > > An ejb server with a license so viral that it infected beans that were
> > > run on it would be of limited value, even to the open source
> > > community.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
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