Fair enough. :)

Thanks for all the replies!
Chris

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Mark Walkom <[email protected]> wrote:

> The limit of a node is hard to definitively know as use cases vary so
> much, but from what I have seen 3TB on 3 nodes is pretty dense.
>
> On 12 March 2015 at 08:09, Chris Neal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mark.
>>
>> May I ask what about my answers caused you to say "definitely"? :)  I
>> want to better understand capacity related items for ES for sure.
>>
>> Many thanks!
>> Chris
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mark Walkom <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Then you're definitely going to be seeing node pressure. I'd add another
>>> one or two and see how things look after that.
>>>
>>> On 11 March 2015 at 07:21, Chris Neal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Again Mark, thank you for your time :)
>>>>
>>>> 157 Indicies
>>>> 928 Shards
>>>> Daily indexing that adds 7 indexes per day
>>>> Each index has 3 shards and 1 replica
>>>> 2.27TB of data in the cluster
>>>> Index rate averages about 1500/sec
>>>> IOps on the servers is ~40
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mark Walkom <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It looks like heap pressure.
>>>>> How many indices, how many shards, how much data do you have in the
>>>>> cluster?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 March 2015 at 19:24, Chris Neal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Mark for your reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do have Marvel running, on a separate cluster even, so I do have
>>>>>> that data from the time of the problem.  I've attached 4 screenshots for
>>>>>> reference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that node 10.0.0.12 (the green line on the charts) had
>>>>>> issues.  The heap usage drops from 80% to 0%.  I'm guessing that is some
>>>>>> sort of crash, because the heap should not empty itself.  Also its load
>>>>>> goes to 0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also see a lot of Old GC duration on 10.0.0.45 (blue line).  Lots
>>>>>> of excessive Old GC Counts, so it does appear that the problem was memory
>>>>>> pressure on this node.  That's what I was thinking, but was hoping for
>>>>>> validation on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was, I'm hoping to get some suggestions on what to do about
>>>>>> it.  As I mentioned in the original post, I've tweaked I think needs
>>>>>> tweaking based on the system, and it still happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe it's just that I'm pushing the cluster too much for the
>>>>>> resources I'm giving it, and it "just won't work".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The index rate was only about 2500/sec, and the search request rate
>>>>>> had one small spike that went to 3.0.  But 3 searches in one timeslice is
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for the help and reading all this stuff.  It is
>>>>>> appreciated.  Hopefully I can get a solution to keep the cluster stable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Mark Walkom <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really need some kind of monitoring, like Marvel, around this to
>>>>>>> give you an idea of what was happening prior to the OOM.
>>>>>>> Generally a node becoming unresponsive will be due to GC, so take a
>>>>>>> look at the timings there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 March 2015 at 02:32, Chris Neal <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm hoping someone can help me piece together the below log
>>>>>>>> entries/stack traces/Exceptions.  I have a 3 node cluster in 
>>>>>>>> Development in
>>>>>>>> EC2, and two of them had issues.  I'm running ES 1.4.4, 32GB RAM, 16GB
>>>>>>>> heaps, dedicated servers to ES.  My idex rate averages about 10k/sec.
>>>>>>>> There were no searches going on at the time of the incident.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears to me that node 10.0.0.12 began timing out requests to
>>>>>>>> 10.0.45, indicating that 10.0.0.45 was having issues.
>>>>>>>> Then at 4:36, 10.0.0.12 logs the ERROR about "Uncaught exception:
>>>>>>>>  IndexWriter already closed", caused by an OOME.
>>>>>>>> Then at 4:43, 10.0.0.45 hits the "Create failed" WARN, and logs an
>>>>>>>> OOME.
>>>>>>>> Then things are basically down and unresponsive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is weird to me is that if 10.0.0.45 was the node having
>>>>>>>> issues, why did 10.0.0.12 log an exception 7 minutes before that?  Did 
>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>> nodes run out of memory?  Or is one of the Exceptions actually saying, 
>>>>>>>> "I
>>>>>>>> see that this other node hit an OOME, and I'm telling you about it."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a few values tweaked in the elasticsearch.yml file to try
>>>>>>>> and keep this from happening (configured from Puppet):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     'indices.breaker.fielddata.limit' => '20%',
>>>>>>>>     'indices.breaker.total.limit' => '25%',
>>>>>>>>     'indices.breaker.request.limit' => '10%',
>>>>>>>>     'index.merge.scheduler.type' => 'concurrent',
>>>>>>>>     'index.merge.scheduler.max_thread_count' => '1',
>>>>>>>>     'index.merge.policy.type' => 'tiered',
>>>>>>>>     'index.merge.policy.max_merged_segment' => '1gb',
>>>>>>>>     'index.merge.policy.segments_per_tier' => '4',
>>>>>>>>     'index.merge.policy.max_merge_at_once' => '4',
>>>>>>>>     'index.merge.policy.max_merge_at_once_explicit' => '4',
>>>>>>>>     'indices.memory.index_buffer_size' => '10%',
>>>>>>>>     'indices.store.throttle.type' => 'none',
>>>>>>>>     'index.translog.flush_threshold_size' => '1GB',
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have done a fair bit of reading on this, and have tried about
>>>>>>>> everything I can think of. :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what caused this scenario, and what can be done
>>>>>>>> to avoid it?
>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for taking the time to read this.
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>> *On server 10.0.0.12 <http://10.0.0.12>:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 03:56:12,548][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [20456ms] ago, timed out [5392ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/st
>>>>>>>> ats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70061596]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:06:02,407][INFO ][index.engine.internal    ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] [derbysoft-ihg-20150304][2] now throttling
>>>>>>>> indexing: numMergesInFlight=4, maxNumMerges=3
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:06:04,141][INFO ][index.engine.internal    ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] [derbysoft-ihg-20150304][2] stop 
>>>>>>>> throttling
>>>>>>>> indexing: numMergesInFlight=2, maxNumMerges=3
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:12:26,194][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [15709ms] ago, timed out [708ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/sta
>>>>>>>> ts[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70098828]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:23:40,778][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [21030ms] ago, timed out [6030ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/st
>>>>>>>> ats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70124234]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:24:47,023][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [27275ms] ago, timed out [12275ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/s
>>>>>>>> tats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70126273]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:25:39,180][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [19431ms] ago, timed out [4431ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/st
>>>>>>>> ats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70127835]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:26:40,775][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [19241ms] ago, timed out [4241ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/st
>>>>>>>> ats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70129981]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:27:14,329][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [22676ms] ago, timed out [6688ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/stats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70130668]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:28:15,695][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [24042ms] ago, timed out [9041ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/stats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70132644]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:29:38,102][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [16448ms] ago, timed out [1448ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/stats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70135333]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:33:42,393][WARN ][transport                ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Received response for a request that has 
>>>>>>>> timed
>>>>>>>> out, sent [20738ms] ago, timed out [5737ms] ago, action
>>>>>>>> [cluster:monitor/nodes/stats[n]], node
>>>>>>>> [[elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45][i4gmsxs0Q0eyvPWjajNV5A][ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal][inet[ip-10-0-0-45.us-west-2.compute.internal/10.0.0.45:9300]]{master=true}],
>>>>>>>> id [70142427]
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:36:08,788][ERROR][marvel.agent             ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-12] Background thread had an uncaught 
>>>>>>>> exception:
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.store.AlreadyClosedException: this IndexWriter is
>>>>>>>> closed
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.ensureOpen(IndexWriter.java:698)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.ensureOpen(IndexWriter.java:712)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.ramBytesUsed(IndexWriter.java:462)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.engine.internal.InternalEngine.segmentsStats(InternalEngine.java:1224)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.shard.service.InternalIndexShard.segmentStats(InternalIndexShard.java:555)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.action.admin.indices.stats.CommonStats.<init>(CommonStats.java:170)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.action.admin.indices.stats.ShardStats.<init>(ShardStats.java:49)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.indices.InternalIndicesService.stats(InternalIndicesService.java:212)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.indices.InternalIndicesService.stats(InternalIndicesService.java:172)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.node.service.NodeService.stats(NodeService.java:138)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.marvel.agent.AgentService$ExportingWorker.exportNodeStats(AgentService.java:300)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.marvel.agent.AgentService$ExportingWorker.run(AgentService.java:225)
>>>>>>>>         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:745)
>>>>>>>> Caused by: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>> *On server 10.0.0.45 <http://10.0.0.45>:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [2015-03-04 04:43:27,245][WARN ][index.engine.internal    ]
>>>>>>>> [elasticsearch-ip-10-0-0-45] [myindex-20150304][1] failed engine
>>>>>>>> [indices:data/write/bulk[s] failed on replica]
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.engine.CreateFailedEngineException:
>>>>>>>> [myindex-20150304][1] Create failed for [my_type#AUvjGHoiku-fZf277h_4]
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.engine.internal.InternalEngine.create(InternalEngine.java:421)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.shard.service.InternalIndexShard.create(InternalIndexShard.java:403)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.action.bulk.TransportShardBulkAction.shardOperationOnReplica(TransportShardBulkAction.java:595)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.action.support.replication.TransportShardReplicationOperationAction$ReplicaOperationTransportHandler.messageReceived(TransportShardReplicationOperationAction.java:246)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.action.support.replication.TransportShardReplicationOperationAction$ReplicaOperationTransportHandler.messageReceived(TransportShardReplicationOperationAction.java:225)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.transport.netty.MessageChannelHandler$RequestHandler.run(MessageChannelHandler.java:275)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1145)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:615)
>>>>>>>>         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:745)
>>>>>>>> Caused by: org.apache.lucene.store.AlreadyClosedException: this
>>>>>>>> IndexWriter is closed
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.ensureOpen(IndexWriter.java:698)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.ensureOpen(IndexWriter.java:712)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.updateDocument(IndexWriter.java:1507)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.addDocument(IndexWriter.java:1246)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.engine.internal.InternalEngine.innerCreateNoLock(InternalEngine.java:502)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.engine.internal.InternalEngine.innerCreate(InternalEngine.java:444)
>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>> org.elasticsearch.index.engine.internal.InternalEngine.create(InternalEngine.java:413)
>>>>>>>>         ... 8 more
>>>>>>>> Caused by: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =====
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