Folks - this thread has been officially ended. Please honor that request. In general, all of these posts, by parties criticizing one another personally, are inappropriate.
73, Eric Elecraft List Moderator ==== On 11/19/2010 3:06 PM, Steve Ellington wrote: > Oh it's the Smiths again! > > His call is N6MQL, Michael Aretsky. > Please identify yourself with your callsign or at least your real name. > > N4LQ > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Smiths"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Cc: "Elecraft Reflector"<[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port > > >> "The audio is coming through the USB audio input. Not through an open mic >> on the computer," >> >> That's right Joe, Once again you mis quote me. But then again, you have to >> in order to make your point. Maybe your computer doesn't have a USB >> input, but mine does. Perhaps you don't use a K3USB adapter cable, but I >> have. Your insults and personal attacts do nothing for you on the >> reflector. Why don't you keep that kind of thing off the reflector where >> it belongs. >> >> T. Smith >> Short Wave Listener. >> >> >> >>> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:15:16 -0500 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> CC: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >>> >>> >>>> The audio is coming through the USB audio input. >>> Now you're changing the story. In the previous e-mail you >>> said "RS-232" input - now you say USB. >>> >>> Since the K3 has *NO* USB input or output, you obviously >>> have something connected to the Line Out/Line In. In any >>> case, you've proven how incredibly unreliable you are - >>> and you still don't bother to sign your e-mail with a >>> NAME AND CALLSIGN as required by the list policies. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 11/19/2010 2:27 PM, The Smiths wrote: >>>> No, that's not the case, but thanks for a good guess none the less. The >>>> audio is coming through the USB audio input. Not through an open mic on >>>> the computer, which doesn't exist. Furthermore I don't even need to >>>> have the volume up on the K3 to see the audio on the scope, and there >>>> is NO analog connections to the computer. However, I dont see Post >>>> audio effects going on. In otherwords, I can only see pre-Notch etc >>>> settings... Guess it's just a voodo rig... >>>> >>>> T Smith >>>> SWL >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:41:31 -0500 >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> CC: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've already hooked up my K3 >>>>>>> using a serial to USB converter cable, and then turned on >>>>>>> Spectrogram and found that the audio IS already there. Do I have a >>>>>>> voodoo K3, or is someone else mistaken that this feature already >>>>>>> exists? >>>>> No, you probably don't realize that Spectrogram uses the default >>>>> audio input device and that Windows systems commonly default to the >>>>> computer's built-in microphone. You are probably getting nothing more >>>>> than "acoustic coupling" between the K3 speaker and the computer's >>>>> mic. This assumes that you have not intentionally configured the >>>>> K3 and computer to use a cable between the K3 Line Out jack and the >>>>> computer's Line In jack and made that the default. >>>>> >>>>> There is no audio connection to the K3 RS-232 port ... read the >>>>> schematics! >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/19/2010 12:32 AM, The Smiths wrote: >>>>>> I'm sorry, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've already hooked up my K3 >>>>>> using a serial to USB converter cable, and then turned on Spectrogram >>>>>> and found that the audio IS already there. Do I have a voodoo K3, or >>>>>> is someone else mistaken that this feature already exists? >>>>>> >>>>>> T Smith >>>>>> SWL >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:20:33 -0500 >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moving from RS-232 to USB for commands (CAT) is trivial - replace >>>>>>> the DB9 with one of the FTDI devices that is a USB to RS-232 >>>>>>> converter built into the DB9 socket. However, that does not get >>>>>>> you audio ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To do audio, you would need not only the USB converter but a hub >>>>>>> and USB Audio CODEC (e.g. PCM8902 or similar). Then Elecraft >>>>>>> would need to build controls for the USB CODEC (ADC/DAC) and do >>>>>>> all the other software support - further burdening the K3 CPU. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After all that, all you've done is move the USB soundcard, USB >>>>>>> to serial converter and USB hub into the K3 and added a whole new >>>>>>> level so support burden - providing operating system specific >>>>>>> drivers for each version of Windows (along with the cost of >>>>>>> signing drivers with Microsoft), specific drivers for each version >>>>>>> of OS-X, and specific drivers for each unique version of LINUX. >>>>>>> By the way ... depending on the USB Audio chip set (ADC/DAC) and >>>>>>> USB hub, you might find yourself needing specific drivers for each >>>>>>> chip (Audio, hub, control) *and* EEPROM to customize, control and >>>>>>> serialize each of those chip! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After all of that you have not provided any new capability for >>>>>>> the K3. Other than adding at least $100 per unit in hardware, >>>>>>> development, and ongoing support costs the only thing this exercise >>>>>>> will accomplish is to relieve a relatively small number of users >>>>>>> of the need to purchase a KUSB and allow them to keep their sound- >>>>>>> card free for iTUNES. For all the rest, you have increased the >>>>>>> cost of the K3, added an entirely new level of complexity to the >>>>>>> rig, and perhaps required that the user purchase new hardware to >>>>>>> use their rig with computer control. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/18/2010 7:31 PM, James Sarte (K2QI) wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello group, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know Wayne has mentioned several times in the past that they had >>>>>>>> considered all possibilities when it comes to PC interfaces for the >>>>>>>> K3, >>>>>>>> including USB. In fact, he says the following on 16 June, 2009: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The KIO3's digital I/O module could be replaced with one that has >>>>>>>> USB >>>>>>>> rather than RS232 -- or better yet, both. We planned for this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The reason we went with RS232 initially is that many hams are still >>>>>>>> using PCs that have only RS232 ports. Those who prefer to use USB >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> use an inexpensive USB-to-RS232 adapter. There is no difference in >>>>>>>> I/O >>>>>>>> performance between the two methods. " >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just wanted to revisit this topic and find out if anyone has heard >>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>> more regarding a possible USB interface for the K3. I know it's not >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> everyone, but for myself and perhaps others out there, the ability >>>>>>>> to carry >>>>>>>> all data, including audio on a single cable would be convenient. >>>>>>>> Right now, >>>>>>>> I'm using a Keyspan USB to RS232 adapter for data, along with two >>>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>> stereo cables for audio. I don't have any real complaints with that >>>>>>>> setup, >>>>>>>> but could be problematic when transferring the rig around from >>>>>>>> computer to >>>>>>>> computer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
