It was fun on those days!!!! :)

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On May 28, 2013, at 5:26 PM, "Bill Blomgren" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Heh.. I wrote my own bios for CP/M  - it got so big I ended up putting most 
> of CP/M in a second page of memory on my system.  (and the bios had warnings 
> for my compiles that would pop up on the screen screaming "Warning Will 
> Robinson.. BIOS stomper" and the like...
> 
> (I did a lot of Z-80 assembly work back in the old old days.. Not necessarily 
> "good" but now far enough back that the creatures I was working on are now 
> dinosaurs. A Disk Operating system for a medical company based on use of a 
> parallel port to did a single bit to transfer data? AEEEIII!!!!)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Youngman" <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected] List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
> 
> 
>> if we're going back that far, is anyone out there still running CP/M or 
>> Phimon, or using switches to toggle in machine code one byte at a time? Or 
>> worrying about the behavior of thunks in Algol and side effects of call by 
>> name, or perhaps whether all of the filaments in the tubes in the 64-bit 
>> accumulator are ok?
>> 
>> :D    Grant NQ5T
>> 
>> 
>> On May 28, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "Bill Blomgren" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> In the commercial world, 98 went by the wayside back when MS dropped 
>>> support for it... which was somewhere in the 2000's as I remember.  (I 
>>> never supported 98.. I was only in the server world there.)
>>> 
>>> Considering the age of the computers that -can- run 98 these days, they are 
>>> .. well... OLD.  I have 1 down in Charlotte that I didn't bump to XP only 
>>> because I had a film scanner from Polaroid (4000 pixels per inch) that did 
>>> an incredible job.. but had software that ONLY ran on 98.  4 weeks after I 
>>> bought that puppy ($1500 then) - Polaroid went belly up. So there have been 
>>> NO updates for the drivers and guts of the scanning software.  <sigh>
>>> 
>>> But I don't know anyone still running 98 or ME at this point.  None. LOTS 
>>> of people on Linux, Mac, and Windows XP and 7.  A few running Vista.. I 
>>> don't know of anyone running 8 at this point. (Uptake has been 1/2 the 
>>> dismal Vista uptake, which tells you something...)
>>> 
>>> Moving up to the next generation of Compiler would be a good thing in my 
>>> eyes, but a lot of software doesn't need 64 bit versions.. (I suspect your 
>>> utilities probably are some of those...) - the WOW layer handles thunking 
>>> nicely so that 32 bit applications will run happily on 64 bit OS's.. 
>>> Compile for 32 bit in all cases because the last version that had 16 bit 
>>> support was XP as I remember.....
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[email protected]>
>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
>>>> P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with 
>>>> a
>>>> 2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
>>>> Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
>>>> Windows 98 SE.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
>>>> generate will run only on Windows XP and later.  That is, Windows XP,
>>>> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Would you be inconvenienced by this change?  I'm hoping there aren't many.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>>>> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>>> 
>>>> 
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