When we had our place in Silver Springs, NV, our 40-meter 4-square, with an excellent radial system, was killer. I cannot imagine anything short of a full-size 2, possibly 3, element yagi up at least 70 feet even coming close. I would think it would take the 3-element yagi to even approach the F/B ratio of the 4-square.

On the beach works *real* well. Any antenna we tried at Ballenita, Ecuador, worked great. The QTH was roughly 10-meters inland from high-tide! :>)

Jack, W6NF/VE4SNA/HC2UA
Shelley, K7MKL/HC2UB

On 2/12/2014 3:17 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 2/12/2014 7:29 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
Also known as, "The worst horizontal antenna is better than the best vertical antenna" theory. It's always worked out for me. Now if I lived on the beach...

Hi Wes,

Based on my model studies, I wouldn't go that far -- it depends on how high either of the antennas are, as well as the quality of the ground. If your criteria is low angle radiation and you have better than average soil, a vertical dipole that's 20 ft or more above ground will beat a low dipole. Here in the mountains, our soil is stinko, so the only band where a vertical beats a horizontal dipole is 160M.

73, Jim K9YC
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