Of course, it is arguable to what extent JT-65 represents a “true QSO” — the 
following articles make for some interesting reading, and show that the 
situation is not altogether back and white:
http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html <http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html>

73, Matt VK2RQ
 

> On 14 Jan 2015, at 6:39 am, Edward R Cole <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> When Harry first posted
> >On 1/5/2015 5:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > JT65 is indeed audible and has a very distinct sound.
> 
> I was tempted to reply when first posted but decided it wasn't worth 
> bothering since it was obviously from someone who totally did not understand. 
>  But now it has been repeated, so you asked for this (and I am replying 
> politely):
> 
> If you stand next to a horn being played, does it make a sound?...if you are 
> a thousand miles away from the horn does it still make a sound?  Yes to both 
> questions.  But can you hear the sound when you are a thousand miles away?  
> Not by ear.
> 
> Is CW audible in a radio receiver tuned to receive it?  Yes - If the signal 
> is strong enough.  If you cannot hear the CW signal can you copy the CW 
> message...nope.
> 
> JT-65 can be heard by a receiver set up in CW or SSB and properly tuned...if 
> the signal is strong enough.  If the signal is not strong enough to be heard, 
> the JT65 signal can still be decoded (quite easily) though you will hear 
> nothing in the receiver.  This is at a signal level from about -20 to -28 dB 
> SNR as received with a 2.5-KHz bw SSB receiver.
> 
> To state this a little differently, JT-65 can be decoded down to about 8-dB 
> below the signal level that CW is not longer audible.  JT-65 and CW are 
> equally audible if the same signal strength.
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> PS: if you do not like computers why are you using one to post e-mail?  If 
> you prefer CW, then by all means use CW.  JT-65 is simply an alternative mode 
> which works better with extremely weak signals.  Human intervention is 
> required for either mode.  To say JT-65 use is not human-to human is 
> insulting the user.
> 
> -------------------------
> From: "Wes (N7WS)" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Well, if it's audible, then why not use CW?  Much faster, even with slow 
> keying,
> and they are human-to-human contacts.  The bragging I've heard is of the type,
> "I worked VK0H with 100 mW into a wet string antenna laying on the ground.  
> Who
> needs QRO?"
> ==snip
> X.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
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