Rich,
Except for the specific references to K3, you answer should be framed
( and filed ) for its completeness.
AL, K0VM
On 2/6/2016 4:59 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
There is some confusion evident in your post on the roles of the
connections between the radio and the computer.
There are three separate connections needed for operation in data
modes (possibly four in FSK).
The first of these connections is for rig control from N1MM+. On a K3,
this is the RS232 port. On a K3S, you can use the USB connection
instead, provided the K3S's CONFIG:RS232 is set for USB. Either way,
this represents one serial port in the software. N1MM+ must be
configured to use this port for rig control, and this port cannot be
used by MMTTY when it is run from within N1MM+. This last limitation
(inability to share a serial port between the two programs) is why the
configuration that you use in MMTTY stand-alone does not work when you
run MMTTY from N1MM+.
The second connection is for audio to and from MMTTY. On a K3, there
are actually two cables for audio, one in and one out, but on a K3S,
these can be replaced by a single USB connection to the USB codec
inside the radio. This happens to be shared with the same USB cable
that conveys rig control, but there are two separate and independent
devices as far as the software is concerned - one is a serial port,
the other is a sound card, and there is no interaction between the two
in the application software.
This audio connection is used for receive audio, and in AFSK, for
transmit audio. MMTTY is configured to use the radio's USB codec as
its sound card; N1MM+ does not need to use the sound card at all in
data modes (SSB is another story, but I won't go into that here).
The third connection is for TX/RX control, or PTT. There are several
ways of doing this on the K3/K3S, and it can be controlled either in
the radio, or in N1MM+, or in MMTTY - pick one.
In AFSK (or in CW), the method internal to the radio is VOX. If you
use VOX, you do not need to, and for the sake of avoiding confusion
you should not, configure any other method of PTT either in N1MM+ or
in MMTTY. However, VOX does not work in FSK D. If the radio is in FSK
D, PTT must be controlled some other way (either via radio command or
via a hardware PTT connection).
A second method is to use software radio commands from N1MM+ over the
radio control line to control PTT. This method can be used by MMTTY
when it is run stand-alone, but it is not available to MMTTY when it
is run from within N1MM+ because of the inability to share the port.
If you use this method, you do not need either a hardware connection
or VOX.
A third method is to use serial port keying, by convention usually
done on RTS, although it is possible to use DTR. In most radios, this
has to be a separate port from the radio control port, and it has to
be through a keying circuit. The K3 and K3S are exceptions - you can
use RTS on the radio control port without any keying circuitry by
setting CONFIG:PTT-KEY to RTS-OFF (or RTS-DTR to allow CW keying on
DTR). This must be done from N1MM+, not from MMTTY, because the radio
control port cannot be shared between the two programs.
You can also use a different serial port for PTT control, in which
case it would be connected through a keying circuit to either the PTT
IN jack or to the ACC connector on the K3/K3S. Since this is a
different serial port from the radio control port, you can choose to
use it either from N1MM+ or from MMTTY.
The fourth possible connection (which may be shared with the third PTT
method) is for FSK keying from MMTTY, which is applied via the ACC
connector. This can be done from a serial port through a keying
circuit, but it must be a different serial port from the one used for
rig control. This is a hardware limitation, not just software. The FSK
serial port must be configured in MMTTY, and there is normally no need
to mention it at all in N1MM+. MMTTY can also use this same port for
PTT control, in which case you do not need to configure a PTT method
in N1MM+.
It is possible to configure a serial port used by MMTTY in N1MM+ in
such a way that N1MM+ only uses it in CW/SSB and hands it over to
MMTTY in data modes, but this is only necessary if you need to
time-share the FSK port with other uses in other modes, or if you want
to use FSK with the built-in MMVARI engine in N1MM+.
There is another way to do FSK, and that is via radio control commands
embedded in CAT1ASC macros in N1MM+, but this method is not supported
by the N1MM+ programming team, i.e. you are on your own if you try it.
There is no TCP/IP connection to the radio. HRD may use TCP/IP for
intercommunication between its software modules, but the K3 or K3S has
no Ethernet connection and no way to use TCP/IP.
Bottom line: You may use VOX in AFSK if you choose to do so, but it is
not necessary if you have correctly configured one of the other PTT
control methods.
73,
Rich VE3KI
KD3TB wrote:
I have a new K3S radio that uses the new USB for Sound and Radio
Control.
For RTTY contesting I use N1MM+ with the MMTTY interface. Since the USB
Codec control appears to act differently than a standard serial port,
I need
to put the Radio in VOX to key RTTY in N1MM+. In the past with my
older K3
which used a standard Serial port connection, I did not have to do
this. My
K3 Settings are: Tx Data Mode (AFSK A), with PTT-KEY in rts-dtr . No
difference in Safe versus unsafe modes. It also requires the VOX on
in FSK
mode too. When I use must MMTTY by itself, I can key with the correct
Com
port. I am sure this has something to do with how N1MM+ interfaces
with the
new K3S USB Codec . I have not tried this with other RTTY programs
such as
FLdigi, etc. Everything works fine in CW, DVR Memory keying with the
correct codes, etc.
With Ham Radio Deluxe, since it uses a TC/IP connection between the
software
and radio, I do not need to have TX Data in VOX on mode.
I am not sure to eliminate the requirement for VOX on, if it requires an
update in either K3S firmware or how N1MM+ interfaces with the K3S
USB Codec
commands. - Or we just stay with VOX on when contesting.
Food for thought and what are others experience with the K3S and
N1MM+/MMTTY
in RTTY contesting?
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