Lynn,
I'm not sure whether I agree or not. I have no problem starting simple and seeing if it works. I have been in a position of needing to find what was happening without knowing what all was actually going on, something akin to solving for 2 unknowns with only one equation. However, I think you really need to know where you are going and establish a framework for that. I'm not convinced starting with just a single mode generator/decoder is the way to go. You are going to need to do at least some logging ability. Here you are, two requirements and no framework.

I know I've been doing this for a long time, and I kinda knew where I was trying to go. So, I built my framework first, and then started to hang other applications on it. It appears to me we view things from different perspectives. Do I think you are wrong? NO, I don't. But it is how I like to build up a functionality; it must be my engineering background. :-)

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 9/4/2017 8:55:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

Barry,

You missed my point in both of your responses.

Here it is again:

  * START SIMPLE *

One thing I've learned as a computer scientist with a few decades experience is that someone can spend hours trying staring at one part a problem when the issue is in an entirely different place.

That was the essence of my post.

Start simple doesn't mean *FINISH SIMPLE* -- not by any means.

It's just easier to solve problems when you don't have a ton of moving parts. Get two working, then add the third, then add the fourth, etc.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/4/2017 4:28 PM, Barry wrote:
Lynn,
You are correct there is a lot of gee whiz software out there. And, the usual connection is serial port, even when that port is created by a USB connection. I have a hard time understanding why there is so much angst over serial ports. Windows has a window call device manger. In it, you can see what ports are being defined. If you use a USB connection, you can watch the port announce itself. Just for clarification, I AM NOT a computer scientist and need my spell checker to get it spelled correctly. However, I did learn about device manager and have been happy ever since.

If you plan on having your logging software know where you are and band you're on and track other activities, you really don't get much choice; you must be able to share the data to/from the radio. The best thing, best behaved, is Win4K3 for the Elecraft users, regardless of whether you are a KX3 or K3 user. I am being told the KX2 is also fine and my K3s works great. The one thing I have found here and 1 other station is having forgotten which ports I was using for what; I now have that written down and life is sweet.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 9/4/2017 4:33:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

The reason I asked is that it seems that there is a bunch of wonderful software out there, that it's all pretty awesome.

Brand new users struggle mightily with things like serial ports when they aren't strictly needed.

So, start with just the sound card (and VOX). Then add the serial port. Then try adding port sharing.

... and remember, the first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.

73 -- Lynn, WB6UUT

On 9/4/2017 1:07 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
Yep! The serial connection is needed only for frequency control, and WSJT-X works just fine without it. I don't do any port sharing, giving WSJT-X the port by itself, and log manually in DXKeeper.
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