I agree the K3S fills in most all of the shortcomings of the early and even 
later K3's.   That's why I purchased a K3S.  After almost 3 years now of daily 
usage, it is now at Elecraft for updates. 

I'm very satisfied with the excellent performance and the ability to customize 
a radio to my preferences.  I'll pass on the assortment of "cookie cutter" 
radios from other companies. 

73
Bob, K4TAX


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> On May 19, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ken & Bob (callsign?),
> 
> I’m very sorry that you and others seem to feel annoyed because of the K4 
> discussion. This was not my intention but I’m a bit disappointed that this 
> quickly drifted off into a 'so why did you buy an Elecraft product' debate 
> instead of discussing things more objectively.
> 
> Someone was asking about a K4 and I just started to think out loud what in my 
> eyes would perfect the K3S or even justify a new model. This was not meant as 
> criticism. However, my points did not come 'out of the blue' as I and others 
> have been collecting notes since the K3 hit the market. Back then and after 
> careful evaluation of an early model we just silently went with another 
> product. Since then many issues have been addressed making the upgraded 
> K3/K3S a mature product, and my list has shrunken to the aforementioned 
> points. It now seemed appropriate to articulate them.
> 
> I’m not expecting at all that someone will build a radio to my personal 
> needs. Most of it is subjective and debatable, anyway. But we all would agree 
> that time moves on and it does make sense to help such a responsive company 
> like Elecraft with new ideas which they might consider for future products. 
> As a long-time reader of this list I understand that it has been this way all 
> the time and hence I don’t feel it is wrong to mention possible improvements.
> 
> It is absolutely fine if you are happy with your early serial number K3. 
> However, there may be issues you are not aware of and for good reason 
> Elecraft has come out with upgrades. One example is the CW timing issue of 
> the K3 with the old synthesizer as mentioned earlier:
> http://lists.f5mzn.org/pipermail/support/2013-November/083384.html
> http://mldxcc.org/n6tv-k3.pdf
> 
> There are still a few CW signals on the bands, even highly respected and 
> successful contesters, which can be recognized by their choppy keying. If you 
> are not into CW faster than about 32 WPM this is not an issue. But an early 
> serial number K3 is not an immaculate radio.
> 
> As stated by others Rob Sherwood measures just some aspects of the rigs 
> performance. These do matter if you are into serious DX-contesting with big 
> antennas. But there are other technical and operational aspects which are not 
> covered and he never intended to do so.
> 
> Getting back to the first two points of my list which unintentionally 
> contained a comparison with newer ICOM rigs:
> 
> - Yes, to me it is amazing how ICOM does it, but the NR really works 
> excellent and everybody else who has operated an IC-7851 will agree. 
> 
> - ICOMs APF is easier to understand: It is basically a DSP audio filter with 
> preselectable bandwidths of 80/160 or 320Hz in context with a 0-6db 
> amplifier. This makes it useful as a quick option to emphasize a weak or 
> disturbed signal. Elecrafts APF in contrast has a fixed 30Hz bandwidth and is 
> more suitable to emphasize a very weak signal when you have the time to tune 
> it in. The ability to select both APF paradigms would be awesome. But again, 
> this is debatable. 
> 
> Having said that, I love my K3S and although it took a few years it has now 
> become my preferred CW rig.
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
> 
> 
> --
> Stefan v. Baltz
> [email protected]
> http://www.dl1iao.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 19.05.2018 um 15:28 schrieb Ken G Kopp <[email protected]>:
>> 
>> If you're so happy with Icom's performance, why did you buy an Elecraft
>> product?
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> K0PP
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