Avoid Royal Caribbean!!! On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had no idea what Ham Radio was ...
Bob, W3RW > On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:19 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN) > 2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) > 3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin) > 4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte) > 5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer) > 6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas) > 7. Re: Cruise Lines (Daniel Solano G?mez) > 8. Re: Cruise Lines (Kevin Cozens) > 9. Re: Cruise Lines (Rich) > 10. Re: Cruise Lines (N4ZR) > 11. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Keith N6JPA) > 12. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Rose) > 13. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED) > 14. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj) > 15. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Jim Rhodes) > 16. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Bob McGraw K4TAX) > 17. Re: Cruise Lines (Fred Jensen) > 18. Re: Cruise Lines (Rick Tavan) > 19. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin) > 20. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj) > 21. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Joe Subich, W4TV) > 22. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin) > 23. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Tom Redfern) > 24. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400 > From: NOEL POULIN <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello, > > I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new > MICROKEYER3...before buying one.. > > I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits > audio? processing chain..etc... > > Thanks > > Noel? ve2ryy/fww > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400 > From: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> > To: Elecraft Mail Server <[email protected]> > Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about > operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave > Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on > board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational > equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... > > I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the > transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses > mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF > frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications > and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have > WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few > thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. > Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms > 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... > > Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM > in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy > answer: ban all Hams outright. > > Keeping Watch- > shu KE8KJZ > > Joe Shuman > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400 > From: "jeff griffin" <[email protected]> > To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <[email protected]> > Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a > cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues > from the ships officers. > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via > Elecraft > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM > To: Elecraft Mail Server > Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > > Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about > operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave > Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on > board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational > equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... > > I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the > transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime uses > mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF > frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications > and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most ships now have > WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few > thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem. > Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms > 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology... > > Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM > in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy > answer: ban all Hams outright. > > Keeping Watch- > shu KE8KJZ > > Joe Shuman > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400 > From: David Bunte <[email protected]> > To: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> > Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: > <cancjpbriozsuhpzucj8q4727xmypbo3byfrjtyhnue_8ovt...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Joe - > > A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on > a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the > Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each > evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40 > CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America > and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he > clamped to a deck railing to get on the air. > > I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my > guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to > keep trying. > > 73 de Dave - K9FN > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >> our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500 > From: John Oppenheimer <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Joe, > > Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation: > https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf > > KX3 on Carnival: https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/ > > John KN5L > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400 > From: Jose P Douglas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if > you want to operate on one of the stops??? > > I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the > radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and > not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham. > > I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming > with me... > > 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD > > >> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are >> no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about >> at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our >> technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM >> in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy >> answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500 > From: Daniel Solano G?mez <[email protected]> > To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, Joe, > > Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky. I talked to someone a couple of > weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear > it is not straightforward. I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on > international waters at > <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>. > > In particular, they talk about: > > * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on > board, regardless of whether you operate on board > > * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board > > * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial > waters you happen to be in > > * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction > of the country to which the ship is registered. So, if it is a > U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual. > Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the > ship is registered. > > > So, it?s not simple. Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain > to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama. While in U.S. territorial > waters, U.S. rules apply. When you enter international waters, Panama rules > apply. When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, > Jamaica, those rules apply. > > Best wishes! > > 73, > > Daniel, AG5UT > >> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are >> no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about >> at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our >> technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM >> in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy >> answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400 > From: Kevin Cozens <[email protected]> > To: K2 <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? > > That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving > only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause > a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something > very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment. > > Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise > (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its > first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on > the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was > ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no > one ever said anything about it. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that > https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and > | that's why we're powerful" > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | > #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400 > From: Rich <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited > articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio > equipment as prohibited. > > Rich > > K3RWN > >> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are >> no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about >> at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our >> technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM >> in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy >> answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400 > From: N4ZR <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^) > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network > at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now > spotting RTTY activity worldwide. > For spots, please use your favorite > "retail" DX cluster. > >> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: >>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >> >> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between >> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave >> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would >> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the >> navigation equipment. >> >> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a >> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave >> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long >> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never >> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in >> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700 > From: Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> > > All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600 > From: Rose <[email protected]> > To: Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-m...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Good news! Yahoo Groups is awful! > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> < >> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200 > From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <[email protected]> > To: Elecraft <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello Keith, > > >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. > > Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will > continue to > exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator > approval to join." > > > 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! > www.qrp4fun.de - [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400 > From: W2xj <[email protected]> > To: Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to > learn how to use real email. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500 > From: Jim Rhodes <[email protected]> > To: W2xj <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > <calhxr4a9-hjbwzxjsceeh4svnsfpergtxtkq02retecxdzp...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a > factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check > boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP > and never went back to Yahoo. For anything. > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have >> to learn how to use real email. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ?< >> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500 > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link: > > https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3 > > > Group Description > > For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share > information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that > operate them. > > When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so > that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a > spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box > will do fine. > > > Group Information > > * 3,156 Members > * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15 > * Started on05/04/07 > > > Group Settings > > * All subscribers can post to the group. > * Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators. > * Posts from new users require approval from the moderators. > * Messages are set to reply to group. > * Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators. > * Archives are visible to anyone. > * Wiki is visible to subscribers only. > * Members can edit their messages. > * Members can set their subscriptions to no email. > > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > >> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700 > From: Fred Jensen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on > Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 > days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the > Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to > Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications > of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as > any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, > you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, > communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and > blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things > as we may think of." > > On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain > actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After > settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more > resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a > radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very > young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered > his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch > paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while > at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He > willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged > a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA. > > Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the > boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North > America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very > weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to > radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and > error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded > knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a > pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since > I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in > my shoulder. > > Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was > Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you > have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? > I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are >> no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about >> at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our >> technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM >> in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy >> answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700 > From: Rick Tavan <[email protected]> > To: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> > Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: > <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=u...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio. > FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of > authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and > received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward > who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that > I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people > and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher > authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No > idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an > hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did > better on land from FO. > > Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do. > I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear. > > /Rick N6XI > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >> our technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > -- > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee and Saratoga, CA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000 > From: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > > <byapr16mb29683a8fc592a3777aead3c48c...@byapr16mb2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how > to use real email" > > Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the > advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, > and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" > that seems to limit communication here. > > I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. > That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way. > > Andy, k3wyc > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400 > From: W2xj <[email protected]> > To: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became > conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn >> how to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the >> advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file >> archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email >> overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin >> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only >> way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400 > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers > learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a > searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest > without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. > > Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems > with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all". The > web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety > of security and privacy issues that do not exist in a well controlled > text only e-mail system. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how >> to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the >> advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file >> archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email >> overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin >> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only >> way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000 > From: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> > To: W2xj <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: > > <byapr16mb296855d8090fcef7299ec62f8c...@byapr16mb2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your > own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"? > > Andy, k3wyc > > > ________________________________ > From: W2xj <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM > To: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > > gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became > conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn >> how to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the >> advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file >> archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email >> overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin >> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only >> way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700 > From: Tom Redfern <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well. > No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went > down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off. > > I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the > way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has > nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-) > > -- Tom W7EZT > >> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400 > From: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Lots of great info, thanks. I looked at the boarding documents and the same > language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print. Don?t want to > mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans. > > It?s a small world after all... > > Keeping Watch- > shu > > Joe Shuman > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [email protected] > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 > ***************************************** ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [email protected]
