I should mention too that the problems probably stem from concerns, justified or not, for all the navigation, control, and communication system on and off board. Like I said, if you find anyone who allows it, just make sure you check with the Captain so he knows. IF there is an issue, he'd be a likely to work with you and that won't create a problem for any future hams.
On 10/16/19 5:32 PM, Bob Witmer wrote: > Avoid Royal Caribbean!!! > > On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had > no idea what Ham Radio was ... > > Bob, W3RW > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:19 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN) >> 2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) >> 3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin) >> 4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte) >> 5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer) >> 6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas) >> 7. 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Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400 >> From: NOEL POULIN <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hello, >> >> I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new >> MICROKEYER3...before buying one.. >> >> I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits >> audio? processing chain..etc... >> >> Thanks >> >> Noel? ve2ryy/fww >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400 >> From: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> >> To: Elecraft Mail Server <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are >> no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about >> at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our >> technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM >> in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy >> answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400 >> From: "jeff griffin" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <[email protected]> >> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a >> cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any >> issues from the ships officers. >> >> 73 Jeff kb2m >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via >> Elecraft >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM >> To: Elecraft Mail Server >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> >> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >> >> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are >> no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about >> at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our >> technology... >> >> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM >> in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy >> answer: ban all Hams outright. >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu KE8KJZ >> >> Joe Shuman >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400 >> From: David Bunte <[email protected]> >> To: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: >> <cancjpbriozsuhpzucj8q4727xmypbo3byfrjtyhnue_8ovt...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Joe - >> >> A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on >> a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the >> Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each >> evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40 >> CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America >> and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he >> clamped to a deck railing to get on the air. >> >> I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my >> guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to >> keep trying. >> >> 73 de Dave - K9FN >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500 >> From: John Oppenheimer <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation: >> https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf >> >> KX3 on Carnival: https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/ >> >> John KN5L >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400 >> From: Jose P Douglas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if >> you want to operate on one of the stops??? >> >> I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the >> radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and >> not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham. >> >> I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming >> with me... >> >> 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD >> >> >>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500 >> From: Daniel Solano G?mez <[email protected]> >> To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hello, Joe, >> >> Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky. I talked to someone a couple of >> weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it >> clear it is not straightforward. I think the ARRL has a decent page on >> operting on international waters at >> <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>. >> >> In particular, they talk about: >> >> * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on >> board, regardless of whether you operate on board >> >> * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board >> >> * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial >> waters you happen to be in >> >> * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the >> jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered. So, if it is a >> U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual. >> Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the >> ship is registered. >> >> >> So, it?s not simple. Say you had permission from the cruise line and >> captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama. While in U.S. >> territorial waters, U.S. rules apply. When you enter international waters, >> Panama rules apply. When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. >> Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> 73, >> >> Daniel, AG5UT >> >>> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400 >> From: Kevin Cozens <[email protected]> >> To: K2 <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving >> only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause >> a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something >> very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment. >> >> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise >> (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its >> first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on >> the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was >> ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no >> one ever said anything about it. >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Kevin. >> >> http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that >> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and >> | that's why we're powerful" >> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | >> #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400 >> From: Rich <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited >> articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio >> equipment as prohibited. >> >> Rich >> >> K3RWN >> >>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400 >> From: N4ZR <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^) >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network >> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now >> spotting RTTY activity worldwide. >> For spots, please use your favorite >> "retail" DX cluster. >> >>> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: >>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or >>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of >>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.??? >>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between >>> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave >>> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would >>> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the >>> navigation equipment. >>> >>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a >>> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave >>> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long >>> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never >>> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in >>> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it. >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700 >> From: Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >> >> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600 >> From: Rose <[email protected]> >> To: Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-m...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Good news! Yahoo Groups is awful! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> < >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200 >> From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <[email protected]> >> To: Elecraft <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hello Keith, >> >> >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >> Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will >> continue to >> exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator >> approval to join." >> >> >> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! >> www.qrp4fun.de - [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400 >> From: W2xj <[email protected]> >> To: Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have >> to learn how to use real email. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500 >> From: Jim Rhodes <[email protected]> >> To: W2xj <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> <calhxr4a9-hjbwzxjsceeh4svnsfpergtxtkq02retecxdzp...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a >> factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check >> boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP >> and never went back to Yahoo. For anything. >> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have >>> to learn how to use real email. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> ?< >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed >>>> >>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [email protected] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500 >> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link: >> >> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3 >> >> >> Group Description >> >> For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share >> information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that >> operate them. >> >> When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so >> that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a >> spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box >> will do fine. >> >> >> Group Information >> >> * 3,156 Members >> * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15 >> * Started on05/04/07 >> >> >> Group Settings >> >> * All subscribers can post to the group. >> * Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators. >> * Posts from new users require approval from the moderators. >> * Messages are set to reply to group. >> * Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators. >> * Archives are visible to anyone. >> * Wiki is visible to subscribers only. >> * Members can edit their messages. >> * Members can set their subscriptions to no email. >> >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >>> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700 >> From: Fred Jensen <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on >> Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 >> days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the >> Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to >> Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications >> of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as >> any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, >> you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, >> communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and >> blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things >> as we may think of." >> >> On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain >> actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After >> settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more >> resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a >> radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very >> young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered >> his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch >> paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while >> at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He >> willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged >> a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA. >> >> Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the >> boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North >> America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very >> weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to >> radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and >> error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded >> knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a >> pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since >> I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in >> my shoulder. >> >> Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was >> Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you >> have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? >> I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV >> >> 73, >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >>> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700 >> From: Rick Tavan <[email protected]> >> To: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: >> <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=u...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio. >> FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of >> authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and >> received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward >> who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that >> I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people >> and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher >> authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No >> idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an >> hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did >> better on land from FO. >> >> Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do. >> I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear. >> >> /Rick N6XI >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about >>> operating at sea with a KX2. Here is the reply: ?Ham Radios, Shortwave >>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on >>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational >>> equipment.? OK! The line has a right to say no. But... >>> >>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the >>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems. I know maritime >>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF >>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency >>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz. Most >>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so >>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that >>> are no problem. Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things >>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in >>> our technology... >>> >>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a >>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the >>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright. >>> >>> Keeping Watch- >>> shu KE8KJZ >>> >>> Joe Shuman >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Rick Tavan >> Truckee and Saratoga, CA >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000 >> From: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> >> <byapr16mb29683a8fc592a3777aead3c48c...@byapr16mb2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how >> to use real email" >> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the >> advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file >> archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email >> overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin >> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only >> way. >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400 >> From: W2xj <[email protected]> >> To: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became >> conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn >>> how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning >>> the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file >>> archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email >>> overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin >>> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only >>> way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400 >> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers >> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a >> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest >> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here. >> >> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems >> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all". The >> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety >> of security and privacy issues that do not exist in a well controlled >> text only e-mail system. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn >>> how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning >>> the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file >>> archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email >>> overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin >>> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only >>> way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 22 >> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000 >> From: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> >> To: W2xj <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: >> >> <byapr16mb296855d8090fcef7299ec62f8c...@byapr16mb2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your >> own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"? >> >> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: W2xj <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM >> To: Andy Durbin <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> >> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became >> conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn >>> how to use real email" >>> >>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning >>> the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file >>> archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email >>> overload" that seems to limit communication here. >>> >>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin >>> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only >>> way. >>> >>> Andy, k3wyc >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700 >> From: Tom Redfern <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well. >> No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went >> down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off. >> >> I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the >> way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has >> nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-) >> >> -- Tom W7EZT >> >>> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote: >>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> >>> >>> >>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400 >> From: Joseph Shuman <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Lots of great info, thanks. I looked at the boarding documents and the same >> language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print. Don?t want to >> mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans. >> >> It?s a small world after all... >> >> Keeping Watch- >> shu >> >> Joe Shuman >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [email protected] >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> You must be a subscriber to post. >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 >> ***************************************** > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [email protected]
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