Training shouldn’t be overlooked. When did it become ok to not know what your transmitter was doing?
> On Jun 14, 2021, at 16:32, Julia Tuttle <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'd say all of these are true: > > Radios may be faulty in ways that cause problems, stations with functional > radios be configured in ways that cause problems, and functional stations may > operated in ways that cause problems. > > Hams should be *held responsible*, but should not be *condemned*, if their > stations are causing problems and they're not aware. > > Hams should inform each other politely if their stations are causing > problems, and should fix their stations if so informed. > > Hams may condemn each other if they knowingly continue to operate a station > that is causing problems. > > You can't always point a finger at the radio, station configuration, or > operator in isolation, and it's not generally helpful anyway. > > "What constitutes a problem?" is still a pretty open question though. > > 73, > > Julie > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 18:01 Hal Massey <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Aren’t the radios inanimate objects? Therefore it must be the operators that > are accountable. > > > On Jun 14, 2021, at 12:49, David Gilbert <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not ignoring that at all, and I don't know what in my post makes you > > think I am. I've been in lots of contests where the operator is either > > unwittingly or intentionally putting trash on the band (there are hams on > > the Contesting reflector who have publicly admitted intentionally creating > > clicks to give themselves more elbow room), but it doesn't change the fact > > that there are also some pretty poor transmitters out there that were > > purchased by people who either didn't know it or didn't care. > > > > Dave AB7E > > > > > > > > On 6/14/2021 8:46 AM, Hal Massey wrote: > >> You may be ignoring the fact that there are far more bad operators than > >> bad radios... > >> > >>> On Jun 13, 2021, at 14:26, David Gilbert <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I think you're ignoring that what might not be "bad" for the user could > >>> still be bad for everyone else. > >>> > >>> In my opinion, poorly designed radios shouldn't be supported by the user > >>> base, period ... and that includes the people who make recommendations. > >>> > >>> Dave AB7E > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 6/13/2021 12:10 PM, Geoffrey Feldman wrote: > >>>> Having worked retailing amateur radios, people often ask which is best. > >>>> Also often they are absolutely convinced they know the answer because > >>>> their > >>>> Elmer said so. When I review what someone actually wants to do with the > >>>> hobby and get a sense of their budget, I can advise them. A new Ham > >>>> often > >>>> hasn't a clear idea what they want to do. Knowing most of what is > >>>> available, there are no truly "bad radios" that would be unsuited for > >>>> anyone > >>>> at all. Not everyone can afford "the best". Not everyone can use the > >>>> best. > >>>> New operators may not even be able to manage a ton of fancier features. > >>>> New > >>>> Hams may not know there is more to the hobby than whatever their Elmer > >>>> has > >>>> locked on to (20+ years ago). Life in an HOA or a city with much RFI > >>>> directs from most expensive and top of the line towards something > >>>> portable. > >>>> The visibility provided by a Pan Adapter function is especially > >>>> important. > >>>> Personally I have a KX3, PX3, KXPA100. I also own an IC 7300. My > >>>> recommendations at work would tend to what I can sell of course. If > >>>> someone > >>>> knows what they want, they buy it. I find too that upselling the radio > >>>> is > >>>> not productive either. Once someone has a radio they will need antennas, > >>>> feed lines, maybe a tuner, wire, rope, books, power poles, antenna > >>>> analyzer > >>>> - all that stuff is the really great stuff J Also, if someone gets a > >>>> lot of > >>>> books, they will learn other aspects of the hobby and get another radio > >>>> and > >>>> the cycle repeats. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Geoff > >>>> > >>>> W1GCF > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > >>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>> > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> > >>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>> > >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/> > >>>> <http://www.qsl.net/ <http://www.qsl.net/>> > >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>> <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>> <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>> > >>>> Message delivered to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > >>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>> > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > >>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> > >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/> > >>> <http://www.qsl.net/ <http://www.qsl.net/>> > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>> > >>> Message delivered to [email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > Post: mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > Message delivered to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [email protected]
