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âwhiskey two rusty fistâ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 3:17 PM To: Dan Presley <[email protected]> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A or B? This has been a great discussion, with many perspectives. Just to reiterate, all Elecraft radios going back to the K2 provide both modes, and the default is (and always shall be) mode A. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Jul 7, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Dan Presley < <mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > Iâd like to bend the conversation a bit to general CW sending regardless of > which mode or key you use. I donât think weâll ever settle the arguments > about A vs B,except B is more ubiquitous and most students start on B. But > what really matters is the quality of the code you send. And it doesnât have > to be machine perfect. Some individuality is a nice touch as long as itâs > still good copy. I had one student who simply couldnât make a go of any dual > paddles,but he had excellent results with a single lever,and his fist is very > nice. On further questioning,he had a strong musical background,which leads > me to the point I want to make, which a previous poster mentioned. My career > was a bit unusual in that I was a professional jazz musician (bassist) and > had the rare fortune to travel the world as a performer,and recording > artist,and in later years as an instructor at college and professional > levels. I still play occasionally-not much in the past year,but thatâs > changing finally! As an instructor the one constant with every student was > the misperception of their rhythmic abilities,regardless of how good > theirâchopsâ (musical facility) were . Almost universally theyâd sayâI have a > good sense of time/rhythmâ and if was usually their weakest area. For the > most part I think thatâs true with a lot of the newer cw ops as well. And > thereâs also a myth that nothing can be done about your rhythmic > abilities-âyouâre born with it,or notâ is the common wisdom. True you may > never get good enough to hang with Steve Gad,or the late Ginger Baker or Gene > Krupa, but you can certainly work on improving your rhythmic cw skills. A > couple of tips-think of little phrases like CQ as a musical phrase. Whatâs > that? Well-any little bit of a melody that you might have in your head,or a > bird song. Even âhappy birthday to you â is a musical phrase. If you have a > metronome set it to a really slow tempo like 40-50 and send simple > characters between each click. Then gradually increase your tempo. Then try > two letter groups like CQ,73,etc. Eventually larger groups and words,and then > phrases likeâname hr Danâ This works for any mode or > key-paddle,straight,single lever, bug. This will even out your fist and make > for much more enjoyable sending. And-your copying will improve too. > > Dan Presley 503-701-3871 > danpresley@me. com > <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > > >> On Jul 6, 2021, at 23:44, Guido Tedeschi < <mailto:[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> ï»ż99% of non Elecraft radio have Iambic B keyer only, so I suggest to >> learn Iambic B. >> I learned Iambic A in the eighties and now I have to use a single >> lever key with radios that have Iambic B only, otherwise I send C instead of >> K... >> 73 de Guido, ik2bcp / k2bcp >> >> >>> Il giorno mer 7 lug 2021 alle ore 06:18 Mike Morrow >>> < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> ha >>> scritto: >>> >>> Several have stated they use "squeeze keying" and therefore use mode B. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That is a total non sequitur. ALL iambic keying requires >>> simultaneous closure of both paddles...i.e. squeeze keying. Mode A >>> is just as much a squeeze keying process that closes both paddles to >>> generate an iambic stream as is mode B. The only difference is TIMING OF >>> PADDLE RELEASE. >>> Mode B requires paddle release critically earlier to generate a >>> particular iambic stream because it automatically generates the >>> final element in the stream depending on a dot or dash being sent when >>> paddles are released. >>> Mode A does not automatically generate the final element in any >>> iambic stream. It simply requires holding both paddles closed until >>> the desired final element has been sent. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> There is absolutely no speed advantage of one mode over another, >>> although many mode B users seem to believe that there is. Some mode >>> B users even believe that they can generate some characters with >>> fewer paddle manipulations than a mode A user. They can not. Some >>> mode B users believe only mode B is a squeeze keying process. Mode >>> A is also. Regardless of the basis upon which a person selects and >>> learns mode A or mode B, there is no factual basis to claim one mode >>> superior for ANY purpose over the other. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike / KK5F >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Louandzip < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> >>> Sent: Jul 6, 2021 11:05 AM >>> Cc: < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A or B? >>> >>> I'm a squeezer and use B. It's physically the easiest, particularly >>> at higher speeds, and I believe B is really most common. Of course >>> you don't have to squeeze using B. On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:11 AM, >>> Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote: Iâve always preferred B, and I do use >>> squeeze keying. >>> If I were starting off I would probably recommend B. I doubt there >>> is much difference in the learning curve between either! Tom W4KX > >>> On Jul 6, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Iâve always >>> used mode A. Mode B may be preferable for those doing squeeze-keying, >>> especially at higher speeds. >>>>> Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > elecraft.com > >> On Jul 6, 2021, at 7:36 >>>>> AM, >>> Gary Peterson wrote: >> >> An old friend, who has been inactive for >>> several years, recently purchased a used K3. This is the first >>> transceiver that heâs owned that includes a built in keyer. He has >>> always operated CW with a straight key. He has acquired Vibroplex >>> paddles and wants to know whether to set the radioâs keyer for mode >>> A or mode B iambic. He has never used an iambic keyer or a bug, >>> before. >> >> I learned iambic keying with a WB4VVF circuit board, back in >>> the early 1970s, so mode B is what I prefer. >>> I know there are a lot of died-in-the-wool CW people who frequent >>> this list and I would like any opinions as to whether it is easier >>> for a newbie to learn iambic mode A or mode B. 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