"... Iambic (of whatever alphabetical variety) is pretty atrocious..."
https://www.morsex.com/pubs/iambicmyth.pdf Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Chandler Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 3:57 PM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A or B? I'd like to see bug mode as an option... for those of us who still use a bug, I find I can send pretty well with a keyer in bug mode. Iambic (of whatever alphabetical variety) is pretty atrocious. 73 de Chuck, WS1L chandler...@gmail.com On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 3:18 PM Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote: > This has been a great discussion, with many perspectives. Just to > reiterate, all Elecraft radios going back to the K2 provide both modes, and > the default is (and always shall be) mode A. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Jul 7, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Dan Presley <n7...@arrl.net> wrote: > > > > I’d like to bend the conversation a bit to general CW sending regardless > of which mode or key you use. I don’t think we’ll ever settle the arguments > about A vs B,except B is more ubiquitous and most students start on B. But > what really matters is the quality of the code you send. And it doesn’t > have to be machine perfect. Some individuality is a nice touch as long as > it’s still good copy. I had one student who simply couldn’t make a go of > any dual paddles,but he had excellent results with a single lever,and his > fist is very nice. On further questioning,he had a strong musical > background,which leads me to the point I want to make, which a previous > poster mentioned. My career was a bit unusual in that I was a professional > jazz musician (bassist) and had the rare fortune to travel the world as a > performer,and recording artist,and in later years as an instructor at > college and professional levels. I still play occasionally-not much in the > past year,but that’s changing finally! As an instructor the one constant > with every student was the misperception of their rhythmic > abilities,regardless of how good their’chops’ (musical facility) were . > Almost universally they’d say’I have a good sense of time/rhythm’ and if > was usually their weakest area. For the most part I think that’s true with > a lot of the newer cw ops as well. And there’s also a myth that nothing can > be done about your rhythmic abilities-‘you’re born with it,or not’ is the > common wisdom. True you may never get good enough to hang with Steve Gad,or > the late Ginger Baker or Gene Krupa, but you can certainly work on > improving your rhythmic cw skills. A couple of tips-think of little phrases > like CQ as a musical phrase. What’s that? Well-any little bit of a melody > that you might have in your head,or a bird song. Even ‘happy birthday to > you ’ is a musical phrase. If you have a metronome set it to a really slow > tempo like 40-50 and send simple characters between each click. Then > gradually increase your tempo. Then try two letter groups like CQ,73,etc. > Eventually larger groups and words,and then phrases like’name hr Dan’ This > works for any mode or key-paddle,straight,single lever, bug. This will even > out your fist and make for much more enjoyable sending. And-your copying > will improve too. > > > > Dan Presley 503-701-3871 > > danpresley@me. com > > n7...@arrl.net > > > > > >> On Jul 6, 2021, at 23:44, Guido Tedeschi <guido...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> 99% of non Elecraft radio have Iambic B keyer only, so I suggest to > learn > >> Iambic B. > >> I learned Iambic A in the eighties and now I have to use a single lever > key > >> with radios that have Iambic B only, otherwise I send C instead of K... > >> 73 de Guido, ik2bcp / k2bcp > >> > >> > >>> Il giorno mer 7 lug 2021 alle ore 06:18 Mike Morrow < > k...@earthlink.net> ha > >>> scritto: > >>> > >>> Several have stated they use "squeeze keying" and therefore use mode B. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> That is a total non sequitur. ALL iambic keying requires simultaneous > >>> closure of both paddles...i.e. squeeze keying. Mode A is just as much > a > >>> squeeze keying process that closes both paddles to generate an iambic > >>> stream as is mode B. The only difference is TIMING OF PADDLE RELEASE. > >>> Mode B requires paddle release critically earlier to generate a > particular > >>> iambic stream because it automatically generates the final element in > the > >>> stream depending on a dot or dash being sent when paddles are released. > >>> Mode A does not automatically generate the final element in any iambic > >>> stream. It simply requires holding both paddles closed until the > desired > >>> final element has been sent. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> There is absolutely no speed advantage of one mode over another, > although > >>> many mode B users seem to believe that there is. Some mode B users > even > >>> believe that they can generate some characters with fewer paddle > >>> manipulations than a mode A user. They can not. Some mode B users > believe > >>> only mode B is a squeeze keying process. Mode A is also. Regardless > of > >>> the basis upon which a person selects and learns mode A or mode B, > there is > >>> no factual basis to claim one mode superior for ANY purpose over the > other. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Mike / KK5F > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Louandzip <louand...@yahoo.com> > >>> Sent: Jul 6, 2021 11:05 AM > >>> Cc: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A or B? > >>> > >>> I'm a squeezer and use B. It's physically the easiest, particularly at > >>> higher speeds, and I believe B is really most common. Of course you > don't > >>> have to squeeze using B. On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:11 AM, Tom > Doligalski > >>> via Elecraft wrote: I’ve always preferred B, and I do use squeeze > keying. > >>> If I were starting off I would probably recommend B. I doubt there is > much > >>> difference in the learning curve between either! Tom W4KX > On Jul 6, > 2021, > >>> at 10:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > I’ve always used mode A. Mode B > may > >>> be preferable for those doing squeeze-keying, especially at higher > speeds. > >>>>> Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > elecraft.com > >> On Jul 6, 2021, at 7:36 > AM, > >>> Gary Peterson wrote: >> >> An old friend, who has been inactive for > several > >>> years, recently purchased a used K3. This is the first transceiver > that > >>> he’s owned that includes a built in keyer. He has always operated CW > with > >>> a straight key. He has acquired Vibroplex paddles and wants to know > >>> whether to set the radio’s keyer for mode A or mode B iambic. He has > never > >>> used an iambic keyer or a bug, before. >> >> I learned iambic keying > with a > >>> WB4VVF circuit board, back in the early 1970s, so mode B is what I > prefer. > >>> I know there are a lot of died-in-the-wool CW people who frequent this > list > >>> and I would like any opinions as to whether it is easier for a newbie > to > >>> learn iambic mode A or mode B. I have no clue. >> >> Thanks in > advance for > >>> any advice or opinions that I can pass along. >> >> Gary >> KzeroCX >> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft > >>> mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: > >>> Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >>> Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com > > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft > >>> mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > >>> Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >>> Message delivered to w...@mac.com > >>> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft > >>> mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: > >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >>> louand...@yahoo.com > >>> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft > >>> mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: > >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >>> k...@earthlink.net > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to guido...@gmail.com > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to n7...@arrl.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to chandler...@gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
