Hi Dave,

Have you actually tried one? Mine seems to work. I was ready to put out radials
also, but doesn't seem to be necessary.

                 - Jerry KF6VB


On 2022-01-16 10:07, David Gilbert wrote:
That post illustrates the mistake in thinking that a lightning ground
(Ufer) is the same as an RF shield (radials) to avoid ground return
losses.  They are NOT the same and they perform completely different
functions.

73,
Dave   AB7E


On 1/16/2022 9:35 AM, jerry wrote:
All,

I had a similar situation. The 4BTV was mounted on a pole pounded into my wildland hill behind the house. It had about 50 radials, and every year when we whacked the weeds, one or two of the radials would get tangled in the
whacker.

In the fullness of time, we put in a swimming pool a bit down the hill, and the antenna site became a solar heating field for the pool. The concrete guy
poured a 70' by 10' pad for the solar heating array.

After he built the forms, I came out with a roll of 8AWG copper wire. I laid 80 feet of it along the rebar. I pounded my pipe into the earth and had
the wire come out next to it.

He poured the concrete, and I had an "Ufer" ground. I installed a brand new 6BTV, and DX Engineering's tilt base on the pole. No radials. Works great! I carefully tuned it, and then installed an MFJ998RT KW autotuner at the base of the antenna.

              - Jerry KF6VB

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On 2022-01-16 10:07, David Gilbert wrote:
That post illustrates the mistake in thinking that a lightning ground
(Ufer) is the same as an RF shield (radials) to avoid ground return
losses.  They are NOT the same and they perform completely different
functions.

73,
Dave   AB7E


On 1/16/2022 9:35 AM, jerry wrote:
All,

   I had a similar situation.  The 4BTV was mounted on a pole pounded into my wildland hill behind the house.  It had about 50 radials, and every year when we whacked the weeds, one or two of the radials would get tangled in the
whacker.

   In the fullness of time, we put in a swimming pool a bit down the hill, and the antenna site became a solar heating field for the pool.  The concrete guy
poured a 70' by 10' pad for the solar heating array.

   After he built the forms, I came out with a roll of 8AWG copper wire.  I laid 80 feet of it along the rebar.  I pounded my pipe into the earth and had
the wire come out next to it.

   He poured the concrete, and I had an "Ufer" ground.  I installed a brand new 6BTV, and DX Engineering's tilt base on the pole.  No radials. Works great! I carefully tuned it, and then installed an MFJ998RT KW autotuner at the base of the antenna.

              - Jerry KF6VB

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