Not sure I see the difference.  AVC [now called AGC aka audio compression], at it's simplest rectifies the audio from the detector and uses it as variable bias on one or more of the IF stages such that the IF gain is inversely proportional to the audio level.  The original goal was to provide a constant volume in the presence of a fading RF signal.  The K3 takes that concept to exceptional heights of course with multiple attack times, thresholds, slopes, and release times, maybe a tad too many for folks like me.  ALC, at its simplest rectifies the RF at the input to the PA and feeds the variable DC back into the transmit chain to control the power applied to the PA with the goal of preventing  PA saturation.

Both introduce distortion by the very fact that they modify the waveform of the original signal.  Both reduce the dynamic range of the transmitted signal, that is, both increase the average energy in the RF envelope. The original question however was simply, "If ALC was so great at reducing the effects of PA saturation in the early days of SSB, why isn't it that great now?"  Granted, one manufacturer's amplifier may not feed back the correct varying DC levels to another manufacturer's transceiver, but that's just adjustment.

Around the time SSB was being born, most [or maybe nearly all] AM broadcast stations ran at least two audio limiters in the chain to the transmitter.  The first had a fairly short time constant and sort of shaved off the peaks.  The second ["Sta-Level"] had a much longer time constant and responded to the average audio level.  The result was modulation that hung around 100% all the time.  AM broadcast has changed a lot since then and I don't know for sure if they are as heavily limited, but listening to several local ones, they sure sound like they have almost zero dynamic range.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Walter Underwood wrote on 1/30/2022 5:07 PM:
I expect that ALC is being used for two different parts of the transmission 
chain.

Audio ALC would reduce the dynamic range of the audio. That automatically 
reduces the microphone gain to maintain a consistent level of modulation. That 
would be inside the audio part of transmitter, before the modulator. No 
external connector involved.

ALC between a transmitter and amplifier does use an external connector. That 
kind of ALC reduces the transmitter power to try and avoid overdriving the 
amplifier. It can cause overdriving and splatter.

Unlike the audio version, in amp ALC  the two parts of the control loop (sensor 
and gain control) are in different boxes, maybe made by different 
manufacturers. Because the response time and sensitivity of the transmitter 
gain control are unknown, the system relies on luck to have a stable control 
loop that doesn’t oscillate. The way to avoid oscillation is to have a slow 
time constant on the sensor. That means that it just cannot respond quickly, so 
overshoot will happen and will cause splatter. With audio ALC, the control loop 
is an integrated whole and can be designed to be quick and stable.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)




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