Just use the IF shift/bandwidth commands with a little math. I think that's intended.
------- Original Message ------- On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 7:15 AM, <elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > elecraft-ow...@mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Elecraft Service (Alan Bloom) > 2. Re: Elecraft Service (David Gilbert) > 3. Re: Elecraft Service (David Gilbert) > 4. Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters (Bob McGraw) > 5. Elecraft Service: we hear you (Wayne Burdick) > 6. Re: Elecraft Service (bill steffey) > 7. Re: Elecraft Service (Lou Mecseri) > 8. 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Re: Elecraft Service (Ronnie Hull) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:19:54 -0600 > From: Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: a1b10b18-6ffc-5a0e-ad72-4e1746a28...@sonic.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > There is a 52 year old Drake B-line in my shack > > > > In those days, radios were easily field-repairable.? If one quit > working, you replaced a tube or perhaps a burned-up resistor or > dried-out electrolytic capacitor.? Almost all the parts were standard > devices that you could order from a parts distributor. > > > Component-level repair is almost a thing of the past.? For one thing, > modern radios include microprocessors, application-specific ICs, and > other very useful parts that unfortunately can become unobtanium once > they become obsolete. > > > Another problem is that surface-mounted parts are harder to work on.? > For example, if a ball-grid array IC fails, you need highly-specialized > equipment to remove it and install a new one. > > > And then there is the problem of programmable devices such as > microprocessors and gate arrays.? Even if you replace the part, you > still have to figure out how to program it somehow. > > > Modern amateur radio transceivers are marvels of technology that run > rings around the radios of yore, but the price we pay is they are not as > easy to repair. > > > Alan N1AL > > > > On 4/21/22 14:40, K9ZTV wrote: > > > No radio is ever "toss and replace" if it is cared for. > > > > There is a 52 year old Drake B-line in my shack that has never been back to > > Miamisburg, and a Hallicrafters T.O. keyer of the same vintage that has > > never revisited Chicago. > > > > There is a 46 year old KWM-2A that has never taken a trip back to Cedar > > Rapids, and a 23 year old FT-1000D that has never taken a flight to Tokyo. > > > > None are software upgradeable, all are obsolete. None have fully obtainable > > parts, yet all are fully functional and occasionally on the air. > > > > Moreover, my own 15 year old $4000 K3 has somehow survived operator miscues > > of a dozen or more Field Days and I trust it will survive those of the > > upcoming one as well. > > > > In my experience, amateur radio equipment does not self-destruct. They need > > our help. > > > > Which would imply that maybe the fraternity's first obligation to a new ham > > is to inform him of those things that will harm whatever he is eager to > > buy. And perhaps its second obligation is to remind him again when he is > > eager to spend real money. > > > > 73, > > > > Kent K9ZTV > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:29:50 -0700 > From: David Gilbert ab7e...@gmail.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: 5324c739-e7c6-52c2-2157-480749a43...@gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > The answer to your question is simple.? My "expectation" was based upon > what Elecraft told us back then.? Whether I had any right to believe it > or not, Elecraft advertised their products as having long term support > because the design of the radio was modular and subassemblies could be > replaced as they were superceded by newer designs, failed, or were damaged. > > I'm not complaining because the K4 and other radios have features that > the K3 does not.? My K3 currently works fine, but if the fragile KIO3 > board fails my K3 will become useless for serious contesting.? I'm > complaining because Elecraft simply decided not to honor the support > promises they made in their advertising back when I bought the radio.? > It was a decision they purposefully made, and obviously not one forced > upon them by parts shortages or any other such excuse because they > offered a final run of units to anyone who wanted to buy one ... either > in addition to what they had or on contingency against future loss. > > You have twisted this thread to one of no further improvements when the > concern is lack of support for existing gear.? There is a difference of > about 50 years between your old GTO and my K3.? As I stated earlier, > Elecraft could at least assist some third party to take over the > functions they no longer want to provide, but they have shown no > apparent inclination to do so. > > Dave?? AB7E > > > On 4/21/2022 1:54 PM, Rick NK7I wrote: > > > Seriously mislead?? Really?? Or was it unrealistic expectations > > (depending on when you bought too). > > > > Does the K3 meet your current and expected needs NOW, while it is > > working?? Then enjoy it.? Buy parts as you can to repair or upgrade > > it; listed weekly on most email lists; at a discount cost (for now). > > > > There is NO reason for that to change, but your needs might. > > > > e.g. Say in 2008 (when the K3 came out), you bought a new large screen > > LCD TV (circa $3,000 US).? Would you complain now that it doesn't have > > wifi, has no streaming, isn't in 4K and cannot be repaired?? Or would > > you relegate it to the guest room (or e-cycle) and move on? > > > > Or a computer (those were Pentium days, barely I-x chips were > > available); or any other piece of timely technology?? They still run, > > but try adding more memory or other parts now. > > > > The BEST cell phone I ever owned, was a Motorola 'bag phone'; no > > streaming, texting, video etc features, it was a near flawless analog > > PHONE.? Then the cell world shifted to digital and it was worthless.? > > Was I mislead to buy that? > > > > That answer is no; we should expect technology to change and adapt > > over time, eventually fading away in usefulness.? That at some point, > > older products are no longer of useful value to most of the others, > > except collectors. > > > > If it's still useful and meets your needs, I fail to see how you were > > mislead.? You did your research, bought the product chosen while > > knowing (that throughout history) at some point it would fail and > > repairs are no longer factory supported.? It was a good run, it's > > still useful now, as that line is ending. > > > > You can't get factory parts for my old '64 GTO anymore either, at > > least not without a 'premium' cost.? (Wish I still had it too!) > > > > I see the end of the K3 run as an opportunity for a start up repair > > shop; just like old car buffs and OLD radio folks manage to create.? > > One door closes, another opens. > > > > 73, > > Rick NK7I > > > > On 4/21/2022 12:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > > > I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity > > > which promised long term support for upgrades and repair.? The > > > performance is still near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on > > > the long term support and if I ever buy another rig it won't be > > > Elecraft. > > > > > > 73, > > > Dave?? AB7E > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:33:12 -0700 > From: David Gilbert ab7e...@gmail.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: 60dd5c86-9759-d86e-0f7f-b7f54b4f3...@gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > That's what modular design was supposed to address ... as originally > advertised.? Modules being no longer available negates that entirely. > > Dave?? AB7E > > > On 4/21/2022 2:19 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > > > Modern amateur radio transceivers are marvels of technology that run > > rings around the radios of yore, but the price we pay is they are not > > as easy to repair. > > > > Alan N1AL > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:43:55 -0500 > From: Bob McGraw rmcg...@benlomand.net > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters > Message-ID: 5c5dabfd-5caa-6dd1-9eb3-a93ed53c4...@benlomand.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Only one band??? Sounds like the classic RFI into the computer, the > cables between the radio and computer.? Most likely common mode current > on the feedline coming back down into the station area.?? That would > require common mode choke to be installed at the feed point of the > antenna.? Might try a couple of turns of coax through a FT core and see > if that helps.?? A couple of clamp on beads on the cable between the > radio and computer might help. But the antenna feed point is really the > best place to censure common mode current. > > Also......make sure every piece of station equipment is bonded to a > common point.?? I use the station power supply ground terminal for my > common point.? Each piece of equipment has a dedicated jumper to this > point. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > On 4/21/2022 7:50 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:20:38 -0700 > > From: Frank O'donnellvf...@inkbox.net > > To:"elecraft@mailman.qth.net" elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters > > Message-ID:792c3760-8000-ef9b-93d1-30dafa060...@inkbox.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Over a period of time I've noticed an occasional error when transmitting > > FT8 on 30 meters with my K3S using WSJT-X. A couple of seconds into a > > transmit cycle, WSJT-X will display a "Rig control error" box, and I > > start hearing the rig's modulated audio output on its own speaker. This > > only happens on 30 meters, and not 100% of the time. Over the past day, > > I've done FT8 QSOs normally on various bands, but when I tried 30 meters > > tonight I experienced the above error several times in a row. It's > > occurred over time using various versions of WSJT-X. The computer is a > > Mac running Catalina. > > > > I tried going into WSJT-X preferences and changing Radio > Split > > Operation from "Rig" to "Fake It," but the error persisted. > > > > I can try changing around various parts of the setup (using a Windows > > PC, for example), but first was curious if anyone has seen a > > band-specific error like this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Frank K6FOD > > > -- > IF ONE EXPECTS COMPUTERS AND TECHNOLOGY TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS, > ONE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND COMPUTERS AND TECHNOLOGY > AND ONE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THEIR PROBLEMS." > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:49:02 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com > > To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: 93c49afa-cdfd-464d-898f-109f9d2ef...@elecraft.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > In response to this voluminous thread: > > First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our > radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. > > Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other > electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime > of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle supply > chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're > acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing > support) > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a > new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware updates. > This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our roots as a > kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a community of > growth and camaraderie. > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:54:03 -0400 > From: bill steffey n...@arrl.net > > To: Tim N9PUZ tim.n9...@gmail.com > > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: 132d10f5-97dd-a798-ac6a-041a9e75c...@arrl.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > what I find interesting is that MANY of our towns/counties and states > continue to purchase MOTOROLA? radios, which has support for 6 years. > > I may be incorrect , but I am the belief after 6 years your Moto is on > its own, with NO factory support. AND THEY CHARGE A LOT !!!! > > Sad as many of their radios are still working great after 20-30 40 years > of service. > > Looks like some of our expectations are just not realistic anymore...??? > it is all about the parts !!! > > > On 4/21/2022 4:12 PM, Tim N9PUZ wrote: > > > I don't think many of us would be happy with the change in pricing if > > Elecraft were to guarantee the ability to replace and repair radios for a > > long period of time. Many electronic components go "end of life" very > > quickly. Some percentage of those parts will break over the life of a > > product. > > > > For a manufacturer to state they will repair a given product for, let's > > say, ten years, they would have to estimate the failures likely to occur > > and the parts needed to make those repairs up front. Then they have to buy, > > inventory, and safely store all of those parts for ten years after the last > > model comes off the production line. That cost is non-trivial and is > > ultimately borne by the customer who may need those parts one day. This is > > why an engine controller for your car may cost thousands of dollars even > > though it only has a hundred bucks worth of components. They also take into > > account that they may never sell those parts they will store for years. The > > customer ultimately pays for a lot of that as well. > > > > If there was a promise they could be repaired for a specified period of > > time, none of us might be able to afford a KX or K series transceiver. This > > is life in the age of electronics. > > > > Tim N9PUZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n...@arrl.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:56:05 +0000 > From: Lou Mecseri lmecs...@cfl.rr.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: 09b73cef-2c8a-1d99-430a-078289308...@cfl.rr.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Dr. Bill, > > I am 85, and have an updated K3 line (K3, P3, KT500 and KP500) with the > removed boards from the K3 upgrade in stock. > > I will leave a note with the station, when I am on the SK page of QST? > contact you and offer it to you. Hi. > > Is that a fair deal? > > 73, Lou KE1F > > On 4/21/2022 15:15, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote: > > > This brings up a rather sobering reality. Over the last few months, I've > > depleted my parts supply for the K3/K3S to practically nothing after > > helping a few friends with failures. For example, I stockpiled older KIO3 > > boards when people upgraded to the KIO3B boards... but my stash is gone > > now, after lightning strikes and other failures myself and friends have > > had. I've also fixed a myriad of other modules in K3, KPA500, KPA1500 etc. > > and am just keeping my head above water at my contest stations due to lack > > of overall support. I can scrounge and get individual parts, but no > > replacement cards are available. I guess we are all going to have to decide > > what our direction forward will be when the failure occurs for which there > > are no parts. > > > > What are others doing? Waiting in line for K4 or moving on to different > > vendors? > > > > Anyone have "scrap" K3 or K3s for sale??? > > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ > > VP2EHZ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > > Behalf Of Ronnie Hull > > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 9:47 AM > > To: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; rikoski riko...@rikoski.com > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > > > > I?ve been waiting three months just to get an RA for my K3 Ron W5SUM > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 21, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: > > > > > > ?Hi Richard, > > > > > > I'm investigating this and will get back to you ASAP. > > > > > > Wayne > > > N6KR > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:23 AM, rikoski riko...@rikoski.com wrote: > > > > > > > > I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 > > > > months now. > > > > > > > > It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. > > > > > > > > I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. > > > > > > > > I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. > > > > > > > > I moved up four places in a month? > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > > n...@elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > w5...@comcast.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > > delivered to b...@wjschmidt.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to lmecs...@cfl.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 22:00:01 +0000 > From: "Lance Collister, W7GJ" w...@bigskyspaces.com > > To: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com, Elecraft Reflector > > elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: 74d2690d-303a-4427-d52a-aafcbf9c2...@bigskyspaces.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > And we ALL appreciate the products and services you are famous for, Wayne! My > old K3 > (SN 1540) runs for hours almost every day ;-) And I love it! GL and VY 73, > Lance > > On 4/21/2022 21:49:02, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > In response to this voluminous thread: > > > > First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our > > radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. > > > > Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other > > electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime > > of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle > > supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. > > > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're > > acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing > > support) > > > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a > > new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware > > updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our > > roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a > > community of growth and camaraderie. > > > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w...@bigskyspaces.com > > > -- > Lance Collister, W7GJ(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, > 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ, V6M, T8GJ, VK9CGJ, VK9XGJ, C21GJ, CP1GJ, > S79GJ, TX7MB, TO7GJ) > P.O. Box 73 > Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073 > USA > TEL: (406) 626-5728 > QTH: DN27ub > URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj > Skype: lanceW7GJ > 2m DXCC #11 - 6m DXCC #815 - FFMA #7 > > Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the new Magic Band EME > email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web > page (above)! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 22:02:34 +0000 > From: Lou Mecseri lmecs...@cfl.rr.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: 7ca2a65c-4218-53a2-211c-e45c278ba...@cfl.rr.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Thank Wayne, you will not receive a similar policy statement from ICOM, > YAESU or any other HAM gear manufacturer. > > Thank You Wayne/Elecraft/ > > 73, Lou KE1F > > On 4/21/2022 21:49, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > In response to this voluminous thread: > > > > First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our > > radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. > > > > Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other > > electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime > > of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle > > supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. > > > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're > > acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing > > support) > > > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a > > new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware > > updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our > > roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a > > community of growth and camaraderie. > > > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to lmecs...@cfl.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 18:11:04 -0400 > From: Julia Tuttle ju...@juliatuttle.net > > To: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: > caevebro6zr5opkxqb9xbhytrjg2e_fe8qedkyp-foty8oyn...@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Wait, so what is the deal with K3 modules? I thought there was a "last > call" for orders a while back. Are y'all finding second sources or > re-engineering modules to make those available again? > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:49 PM Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: > > > In response to this voluminous thread: > > > > First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our > > radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. > > > > Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other > > electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime > > of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle > > supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. > > > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're > > acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing > > support) > > > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a > > new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware > > updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our > > roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a > > community of growth and camaraderie. > > > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ju...@juliatuttle.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:21:22 -0700 > From: n7...@n7qnm.net > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: 1a8801d855ce$2248cd10$66da6730$@n7qnm.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > OK - I have to respond to this one. > > > > A sign in my local gas station sums it up - "The whole world has gone mad. > Don't take it out on the ones who show up" > > > > I'm 100%c certain that Wayne, and everyone else at Elecraft want to provide > the absolute BEST customer service to ALL of their customers, and are doing > everything in their power to do so. But, "stuff happens"; and sometimes a > leader must make the "best choice" of multiple "horrible" choices, all of > which have negative consequences. > > > > And to paraphrase my wise GP - "No one's baby will die if we don't get our > radios back as fast as we might expect" > > > > 73! > > > > Clay > > N7QNM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:24:35 -0700 > From: Richard Hill nu6t.r...@gmail.com > > To: Julia Tuttle ju...@juliatuttle.net > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: > CAOsRE3rux6eAxnVnaXGNy=4ztuovpacog8lcp1gzrbgdbtb...@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to order > when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they could > build and ship to know purchasers?and perhaps more. > > NU6T > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 3:11 PM Julia Tuttle ju...@juliatuttle.net wrote: > > > Wait, so what is the deal with K3 modules? I thought there was a "last > > call" for orders a while back. Are y'all finding second sources or > > re-engineering modules to make those available again? > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:49 PM Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: > > > > > In response to this voluminous thread: > > > > > > First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our > > > radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. > > > > > > Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other > > > electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design > > > lifetime > > > of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle > > > supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. > > > > > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > > > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > > > > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > > > > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > > > > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, > > > we're > > > acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue > > > providing > > > support) > > > > > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > > > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a > > > new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > > > > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > > > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware > > > updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with > > > our > > > roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a > > > community of growth and camaraderie. > > > > > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > > > > > 73, > > > Wayne > > > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to ju...@juliatuttle.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nu6t.r...@gmail.com > > -- > Richard Hill > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:30:41 -0700 > From: jerry je...@tr2.com > > To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: 7993032bb1f3a5e734247ca5fc9d5...@tr2.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On 2022-04-21 14:49, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > It comes down to two things: the > > design lifetime of modern, miniature components like ICs and > > connectors; and a fickle supply chain--one that imploded because of > > events of the past two years. > > > This reminds me of a youtube video I recently watched. "Curious Mark" > was trying to fix an HP ( or Agilent, or whatever they're calling > themselves > these days ) tracking generator from the 90's. He had an interesting > conversation with HP: > > "Could you give me the schematic?" > > "I'm sorry, we don't give that out for newer equipment". > > "OK, could I send it in for repair?" > > "I'm sorry, we don't do that for older equipment". > > ...He wound up fixing it himself. An amazing feat of reverse > engineering. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVrDyLMVS4U > > > - Jerry KF6VB > > > > > > > > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, > > we're acquiring the components to build additional modules and > > continue providing support) > > > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on > > a new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware > > updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent > > with our roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of > > Elmers in a community of growth and camaraderie. > > > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to je...@tr2.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 22:53:32 +0000 (UTC) > From: Steve Masticola steve.mastic...@verizon.net > > To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: 2081189599.55056.1650581612...@mail.yahoo.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Tim N9PUZ has an excellent point. Manufacturers of any long-lived electronic > equipment have a neverending battle with component obsolescence. Say an FPGA > goes end-of-life and there is no pin-compatible part. This is a problem that > I have had professional experience with -- and which AFAIK has no good > solution without taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in engineering > costs. In another instance, a jellybean processor was declared end-of-life > and the entire product line (dozens of products) had to be redesigned to keep > it manufacturable. I doubt that Elecraft (or Flex, for that matter) has the > funds for a lot of that sort of workaround. > It's possible to take some engineering measures against component > obsolescence, e.g. to design with multiple-source components. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:31:01 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com > > To: Richard Hill nu6t.r...@gmail.com > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: 0aa0b3bc-1f32-45d2-9b57-571544db3...@elecraft.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > On Apr 21, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Richard Hill nu6t.r...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to order > > when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they could > > build and ship to know purchasers?and perhaps more. > > > Yes. We completed that process. Some of the "last call" modules are in > fabrication or will be soon, while others are waiting for parts to become > available. > > We're building some extras of each module. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:24:53 -0700 > From: Richard Hill nu6t.r...@gmail.com > > To: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you > Message-ID: > caosre3ryoyrqwaeabczudhtdhmur9t-ctkqyqgwah7e8nod...@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thank you! > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:31 PM Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: > > > > On Apr 21, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Richard Hill nu6t.r...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to > > > order when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they > > > could build and ship to know purchasers?and perhaps more. > > > > Yes. We completed that process. Some of the "last call" modules are in > > fabrication or will be soon, while others are waiting for parts to become > > available. > > > > We're building some extras of each module. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > -- > > Richard Hill > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:48:46 -0800 > From: Ed Cole kl...@acsalaska.net > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: 5f25471e-3e20-b702-f5e6-d8bff9f0c...@acsalaska.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Boy, a lot of comments on this topic. I'll try to brief: > > I bought my K3/10 in 2010. My primary use was for eme using > transverters so I did not need 100w version. I did buy the KXV3 and > TCXO-03, EXREF, and KRX3. Decided on the 8-pole filters (13, 2.8, 0.400 > MHz in the main Rx and 2.8 in the sub-Rx). > > Main focus was the low phase-noise LO and superb CW performance (I had a > FT-847 before which I ran 2m-eme, but HF was mediocre). The K3 fit my > needs (as my forever radio). > > I acquired a KX3 plus 2m module and then the KXPA-100 (targeting > portable/mobile use including as IF for mw operations). The KXPA-100 > fit well with the K3/10 as a bonus. > > Only had one issue needing repair on the K3 and that was my KI03A > apparently was hit blowing up a ferrite choke and IC. I could have > upgraded to a KI03B but really did not need the USB I/F. Part > availability and perhaps manpower issue delayed return for about three > months (summer 2019). I could not operate digital eme modes without the > board. > > Probably will not upgrade to a K4D, but sure looks nice. I', estimating > maybe ten more years of ham radio (64-years as a ham, so far). One last > solar cycle peak (first was 1958). > > Certainly many new SDR to chose from now days. > > Choosing a new rig is about what your needs and use are. A used K3 or > K3s would not be a bad choice (if you want it fast). K4 is probably > worth waiting for. > > Side note: just bought new John Deere lawn tractor/mower for $4K > ($400/year payback). But my old Craftsman is 13 years old (and it wants > to retire). Well I've been retired 13 years. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > 2022 projects: > HF/6m 1200w MRF1k50 amplifier (kit) > 2m-eme array/tower rebuild > 16-foot dish rebuild > 6-foot dish for 10-GHz eme > Renovation of storage shed into ham shack/work shop > just taking it easy this summer (and spending too much money) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 05:23:28 +0000 > From: Jim Stockwell j...@vistasierra.com > > To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: > byapr17mb280872b59440cce0ec8bca9ebc...@byapr17mb2808.namprd17.prod.outlook.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I also have a K3S in need of service. I submitted an Elecraft support request > on February 7, 2022 and was told that I was #11 on the wait list. After > waiting 6 weeks, I send another email to Elecraft support to see if I had > moved up on the list. At that time I was told "While you're # 11 on the > waitlist, #1 is also waiting." I also have a K4 on order from December, 2021 > , but it's not looking like I'll have a repaired K3s or a new K4 anytime > soon. Still waiting. > > Jim W6KC > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:02:45 -0700 > From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: > 9d5d4477-a3d0-f92a-3b12-de5376bac...@audiosystemsgroup.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 4/21/2022 1:52 PM, turnbull wrote: > > > ? It is not so long ago that the K3S and slightly different K3 were in > > production.? ?Certainly not seven years for the K3S.? ? I am dissapointed > > with Elecraft on this issue. > > > Hi Doug, > > The K3 was first sold in late 2007-early 2008, designed around parts > that were available at least by late 2006. The Elecraft K2 and K3 are > modular designs; the K3S is K3 with some of those modules updated. > > MANY years ago, I managed the service department of a large Chicago > sound contractor. Repair-ability is strongly dependent on the > availability of parts; the COST of a repair depends on the labor to > diagnose the problem(s), the cost of repair parts, the labor to replace > them, and the labor to do any needed alignment and testing. > > It's not unusual for certain major parts around which a product is > designed to go obsolete, be unobtainable, and for there to be no > practical replacement. That happened to Ten Tec with their first solid > state power amp, which was designed around newly developed Motorola > devices. After only a year or two, Motorola found a fundamental problem > with them, and discontinued them, with NO replacement. I bought one of > those amps used, fully understanding the issue. It was a nice amp, well > protected. I used it for a while in Chicago, eventually selling it after > moving to W6. > > Elecraft's modular design concept has contributed to making them a very > good corporate citizen. You want to upgrade a JA radio, you sell it and > buy a new one, and in the case of Yaesu, the second upgrade to their > '90s flagship still didn't fix their very nasty clicks, and their newer > generation of rigs that replaced them are holy terrors for clicks and > splatter. > > The average model cycle of JA radios is one half to one quarter that of > the two K3s I bought in early 2008, and that are still in active use on > my SO2R operating desk today. When the new K3S modules were available, I > upgraded to the new synth boards and the new transverter boards. Both > units have been repaired at least once. Eventually the time will come > when failure of key parts will make them unrepairable. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 03:09:22 -0400 > From: rocke...@gmail.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] K4D - programming command to set or get low and > high cut RX filters? > Message-ID: 012901d85617$e51f2610$af5d7230$@gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All, > > > > I am writing a Node Red interface to the K4D and looking through the > programming reference manual. Is there a command to retrieve or set actual > current low or high cut values of the receive filter? This would be useful > as a way to have more than three filters defined. I know there is a command > to select one of the three filters in the radio, but looking to be able to > change those from an external source. > > > > > > 73 > > Dave wo2x > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 06:14:22 -0500 > From: Ronnie Hull w5...@comcast.net > > To: Jim Stockwell j...@vistasierra.com > > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > Message-ID: d7c58b1e-daf3-463f-b850-4cab52961...@comcast.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I?m in same boat Jim. Currently using a borrowed 7300 but I have to give it > back this coming week so at that point I?m just off the air. I?m number 18 on > the list since February with no change > My K3 had just come back from Elecraft after a repair and failed almost > immediately. I guess that doesn?t count > Ron W5SUM > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:23 AM, Jim Stockwell j...@vistasierra.com wrote: > > > > ?I also have a K3S in need of service. I submitted an Elecraft support > > request on February 7, 2022 and was told that I was #11 on the wait list. > > After waiting 6 weeks, I send another email to Elecraft support to see if I > > had moved up on the list. At that time I was told "While you're # 11 on the > > waitlist, #1 is also waiting." I also have a K4 on order from December, > > 2021 , but it's not looking like I'll have a repaired K3s or a new K4 > > anytime soon. Still waiting. > > > > Jim W6KC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w5...@comcast.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 216, Issue 12 > ***************************************** ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
