Thanks Greg, I’ll look into it. As long as I can query the radio and it returns the current shift/width then converting to low and high cut is not an issue.
This is to be able to program a button in my Stream Deck that will dynamically change to show current RX BW. For those unfamiliar, look up Elgato Stream Deck XL. Excellent piece of gear. 73 Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Greg Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just use the IF shift/bandwidth commands with a little math. I think that's > intended. > > > ------- Original Message ------- >> On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 7:15 AM, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Elecraft Service (Alan Bloom) >> 2. Re: Elecraft Service (David Gilbert) >> 3. Re: Elecraft Service (David Gilbert) >> 4. Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters (Bob McGraw) >> 5. Elecraft Service: we hear you (Wayne Burdick) >> 6. Re: Elecraft Service (bill steffey) >> 7. Re: Elecraft Service (Lou Mecseri) >> 8. Re: Elecraft Service: we hear you (Lance Collister, W7GJ) >> 9. Re: Elecraft Service: we hear you (Lou Mecseri) >> 10. Re: Elecraft Service: we hear you (Julia Tuttle) >> 11. Elecraft Service ([email protected]) >> 12. Re: Elecraft Service: we hear you (Richard Hill) >> 13. Re: Elecraft Service: we hear you (jerry) >> 14. Re: Elecraft Service (Steve Masticola) >> 15. Re: Elecraft Service: we hear you (Wayne Burdick) >> 16. Re: Elecraft Service: we hear you (Richard Hill) >> 17. Re: Elecraft Service (Ed Cole) >> 18. Elecraft Service (Jim Stockwell) >> 19. Re: Elecraft Service (Jim Brown) >> 20. K4D - programming command to set or get low and high cut RX >> filters? ([email protected]) >> 21. Re: Elecraft Service (Ronnie Hull) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:19:54 -0600 >> From: Alan Bloom [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >>> There is a 52 year old Drake B-line in my shack >> >> >> >> In those days, radios were easily field-repairable.? If one quit >> working, you replaced a tube or perhaps a burned-up resistor or >> dried-out electrolytic capacitor.? Almost all the parts were standard >> devices that you could order from a parts distributor. >> >> >> Component-level repair is almost a thing of the past.? For one thing, >> modern radios include microprocessors, application-specific ICs, and >> other very useful parts that unfortunately can become unobtanium once >> they become obsolete. >> >> >> Another problem is that surface-mounted parts are harder to work on.? >> For example, if a ball-grid array IC fails, you need highly-specialized >> equipment to remove it and install a new one. >> >> >> And then there is the problem of programmable devices such as >> microprocessors and gate arrays.? Even if you replace the part, you >> still have to figure out how to program it somehow. >> >> >> Modern amateur radio transceivers are marvels of technology that run >> rings around the radios of yore, but the price we pay is they are not as >> easy to repair. >> >> >> Alan N1AL >> >> >> >>> On 4/21/22 14:40, K9ZTV wrote: >>> >>> No radio is ever "toss and replace" if it is cared for. >>> >>> There is a 52 year old Drake B-line in my shack that has never been back to >>> Miamisburg, and a Hallicrafters T.O. keyer of the same vintage that has >>> never revisited Chicago. >>> >>> There is a 46 year old KWM-2A that has never taken a trip back to Cedar >>> Rapids, and a 23 year old FT-1000D that has never taken a flight to Tokyo. >>> >>> None are software upgradeable, all are obsolete. None have fully obtainable >>> parts, yet all are fully functional and occasionally on the air. >>> >>> Moreover, my own 15 year old $4000 K3 has somehow survived operator miscues >>> of a dozen or more Field Days and I trust it will survive those of the >>> upcoming one as well. >>> >>> In my experience, amateur radio equipment does not self-destruct. They need >>> our help. >>> >>> Which would imply that maybe the fraternity's first obligation to a new ham >>> is to inform him of those things that will harm whatever he is eager to >>> buy. And perhaps its second obligation is to remind him again when he is >>> eager to spend real money. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Kent K9ZTV >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:29:50 -0700 >> From: David Gilbert [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> >> The answer to your question is simple.? My "expectation" was based upon >> what Elecraft told us back then.? Whether I had any right to believe it >> or not, Elecraft advertised their products as having long term support >> because the design of the radio was modular and subassemblies could be >> replaced as they were superceded by newer designs, failed, or were damaged. >> >> I'm not complaining because the K4 and other radios have features that >> the K3 does not.? My K3 currently works fine, but if the fragile KIO3 >> board fails my K3 will become useless for serious contesting.? I'm >> complaining because Elecraft simply decided not to honor the support >> promises they made in their advertising back when I bought the radio.? >> It was a decision they purposefully made, and obviously not one forced >> upon them by parts shortages or any other such excuse because they >> offered a final run of units to anyone who wanted to buy one ... either >> in addition to what they had or on contingency against future loss. >> >> You have twisted this thread to one of no further improvements when the >> concern is lack of support for existing gear.? There is a difference of >> about 50 years between your old GTO and my K3.? As I stated earlier, >> Elecraft could at least assist some third party to take over the >> functions they no longer want to provide, but they have shown no >> apparent inclination to do so. >> >> Dave?? AB7E >> >> >>> On 4/21/2022 1:54 PM, Rick NK7I wrote: >>> >>> Seriously mislead?? Really?? Or was it unrealistic expectations >>> (depending on when you bought too). >>> >>> Does the K3 meet your current and expected needs NOW, while it is >>> working?? Then enjoy it.? Buy parts as you can to repair or upgrade >>> it; listed weekly on most email lists; at a discount cost (for now). >>> >>> There is NO reason for that to change, but your needs might. >>> >>> e.g. Say in 2008 (when the K3 came out), you bought a new large screen >>> LCD TV (circa $3,000 US).? Would you complain now that it doesn't have >>> wifi, has no streaming, isn't in 4K and cannot be repaired?? Or would >>> you relegate it to the guest room (or e-cycle) and move on? >>> >>> Or a computer (those were Pentium days, barely I-x chips were >>> available); or any other piece of timely technology?? They still run, >>> but try adding more memory or other parts now. >>> >>> The BEST cell phone I ever owned, was a Motorola 'bag phone'; no >>> streaming, texting, video etc features, it was a near flawless analog >>> PHONE.? Then the cell world shifted to digital and it was worthless.? >>> Was I mislead to buy that? >>> >>> That answer is no; we should expect technology to change and adapt >>> over time, eventually fading away in usefulness.? That at some point, >>> older products are no longer of useful value to most of the others, >>> except collectors. >>> >>> If it's still useful and meets your needs, I fail to see how you were >>> mislead.? You did your research, bought the product chosen while >>> knowing (that throughout history) at some point it would fail and >>> repairs are no longer factory supported.? It was a good run, it's >>> still useful now, as that line is ending. >>> >>> You can't get factory parts for my old '64 GTO anymore either, at >>> least not without a 'premium' cost.? (Wish I still had it too!) >>> >>> I see the end of the K3 run as an opportunity for a start up repair >>> shop; just like old car buffs and OLD radio folks manage to create.? >>> One door closes, another opens. >>> >>> 73, >>> Rick NK7I >>> >>>> On 4/21/2022 12:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>>> I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity >>>> which promised long term support for upgrades and repair.? The >>>> performance is still near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on >>>> the long term support and if I ever buy another rig it won't be >>>> Elecraft. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Dave?? AB7E >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:33:12 -0700 >> From: David Gilbert [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> >> That's what modular design was supposed to address ... as originally >> advertised.? Modules being no longer available negates that entirely. >> >> Dave?? AB7E >> >> >>> On 4/21/2022 2:19 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >>> >>> Modern amateur radio transceivers are marvels of technology that run >>> rings around the radios of yore, but the price we pay is they are not >>> as easy to repair. >>> >>> Alan N1AL >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:43:55 -0500 >> From: Bob McGraw [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Elecraft] Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Only one band??? Sounds like the classic RFI into the computer, the >> cables between the radio and computer.? Most likely common mode current >> on the feedline coming back down into the station area.?? That would >> require common mode choke to be installed at the feed point of the >> antenna.? Might try a couple of turns of coax through a FT core and see >> if that helps.?? A couple of clamp on beads on the cable between the >> radio and computer might help. But the antenna feed point is really the >> best place to censure common mode current. >> >> Also......make sure every piece of station equipment is bonded to a >> common point.?? I use the station power supply ground terminal for my >> common point.? Each piece of equipment has a dedicated jumper to this >> point. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >>> On 4/21/2022 7:50 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:20:38 -0700 >>> From: Frank O'[email protected] >>> To:"[email protected]" [email protected] >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters >>> Message-ID:[email protected] >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>> >>> Over a period of time I've noticed an occasional error when transmitting >>> FT8 on 30 meters with my K3S using WSJT-X. A couple of seconds into a >>> transmit cycle, WSJT-X will display a "Rig control error" box, and I >>> start hearing the rig's modulated audio output on its own speaker. This >>> only happens on 30 meters, and not 100% of the time. Over the past day, >>> I've done FT8 QSOs normally on various bands, but when I tried 30 meters >>> tonight I experienced the above error several times in a row. It's >>> occurred over time using various versions of WSJT-X. The computer is a >>> Mac running Catalina. >>> >>> I tried going into WSJT-X preferences and changing Radio > Split >>> Operation from "Rig" to "Fake It," but the error persisted. >>> >>> I can try changing around various parts of the setup (using a Windows >>> PC, for example), but first was curious if anyone has seen a >>> band-specific error like this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Frank K6FOD >> >> >> -- >> IF ONE EXPECTS COMPUTERS AND TECHNOLOGY TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS, >> ONE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND COMPUTERS AND TECHNOLOGY >> AND ONE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THEIR PROBLEMS." >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:49:02 -0700 >> From: Wayne Burdick [email protected] >> >> To: Elecraft Reflector [email protected] >> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> In response to this voluminous thread: >> >> First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our >> radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. >> >> Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other >> electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime >> of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle supply >> chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. >> >> I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these >> issues. As evidence I could point to: >> >> - the K2, still in production after 20 years >> >> - the KX3, still in production after 10 years >> >> - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're >> acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing >> support) >> >> This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, >> replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a >> new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. >> >> Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new >> accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware >> updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our >> roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a >> community of growth and camaraderie. >> >> Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:54:03 -0400 >> From: bill steffey [email protected] >> >> To: Tim N9PUZ [email protected] >> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> what I find interesting is that MANY of our towns/counties and states >> continue to purchase MOTOROLA? radios, which has support for 6 years. >> >> I may be incorrect , but I am the belief after 6 years your Moto is on >> its own, with NO factory support. AND THEY CHARGE A LOT !!!! >> >> Sad as many of their radios are still working great after 20-30 40 years >> of service. >> >> Looks like some of our expectations are just not realistic anymore...??? >> it is all about the parts !!! >> >> >>> On 4/21/2022 4:12 PM, Tim N9PUZ wrote: >>> >>> I don't think many of us would be happy with the change in pricing if >>> Elecraft were to guarantee the ability to replace and repair radios for a >>> long period of time. Many electronic components go "end of life" very >>> quickly. Some percentage of those parts will break over the life of a >>> product. >>> >>> For a manufacturer to state they will repair a given product for, let's >>> say, ten years, they would have to estimate the failures likely to occur >>> and the parts needed to make those repairs up front. Then they have to buy, >>> inventory, and safely store all of those parts for ten years after the last >>> model comes off the production line. That cost is non-trivial and is >>> ultimately borne by the customer who may need those parts one day. This is >>> why an engine controller for your car may cost thousands of dollars even >>> though it only has a hundred bucks worth of components. They also take into >>> account that they may never sell those parts they will store for years. The >>> customer ultimately pays for a lot of that as well. >>> >>> If there was a promise they could be repaired for a specified period of >>> time, none of us might be able to afford a KX or K series transceiver. This >>> is life in the age of electronics. >>> >>> Tim N9PUZ >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:56:05 +0000 >> From: Lou Mecseri [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Dr. Bill, >> >> I am 85, and have an updated K3 line (K3, P3, KT500 and KP500) with the >> removed boards from the K3 upgrade in stock. >> >> I will leave a note with the station, when I am on the SK page of QST? >> contact you and offer it to you. Hi. >> >> Is that a fair deal? >> >> 73, Lou KE1F >> >>> On 4/21/2022 15:15, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote: >>> >>> This brings up a rather sobering reality. Over the last few months, I've >>> depleted my parts supply for the K3/K3S to practically nothing after >>> helping a few friends with failures. For example, I stockpiled older KIO3 >>> boards when people upgraded to the KIO3B boards... but my stash is gone >>> now, after lightning strikes and other failures myself and friends have >>> had. I've also fixed a myriad of other modules in K3, KPA500, KPA1500 etc. >>> and am just keeping my head above water at my contest stations due to lack >>> of overall support. I can scrounge and get individual parts, but no >>> replacement cards are available. I guess we are all going to have to decide >>> what our direction forward will be when the failure occurs for which there >>> are no parts. >>> >>> What are others doing? Waiting in line for K4 or moving on to different >>> vendors? >>> >>> Anyone have "scrap" K3 or K3s for sale??? >>> >>> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ >>> VP2EHZ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [email protected] On >>> Behalf Of Ronnie Hull >>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 9:47 AM >>> To: Wayne Burdick [email protected] >>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector [email protected]; rikoski [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >>> >>> I?ve been waiting three months just to get an RA for my K3 Ron W5SUM >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Wayne Burdick [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi Richard, >>>> >>>> I'm investigating this and will get back to you ASAP. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:23 AM, rikoski [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 >>>>> months now. >>>>> >>>>> It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. >>>>> >>>>> I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. >>>>> >>>>> I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. >>>>> >>>>> I moved up four places in a month? >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> [email protected] >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >>> delivered to [email protected] >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 22:00:01 +0000 >> From: "Lance Collister, W7GJ" [email protected] >> >> To: Wayne Burdick [email protected], Elecraft Reflector >> >> [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> And we ALL appreciate the products and services you are famous for, Wayne! >> My old K3 >> (SN 1540) runs for hours almost every day ;-) And I love it! GL and VY 73, >> Lance >> >>> On 4/21/2022 21:49:02, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> In response to this voluminous thread: >>> >>> First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our >>> radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. >>> >>> Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other >>> electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime >>> of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle >>> supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. >>> >>> I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these >>> issues. As evidence I could point to: >>> >>> - the K2, still in production after 20 years >>> >>> - the KX3, still in production after 10 years >>> >>> - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're >>> acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing >>> support) >>> >>> This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, >>> replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a >>> new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. >>> >>> Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new >>> accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware >>> updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our >>> roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a >>> community of growth and camaraderie. >>> >>> Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> -- >> Lance Collister, W7GJ(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, >> 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ, V6M, T8GJ, VK9CGJ, VK9XGJ, C21GJ, CP1GJ, >> S79GJ, TX7MB, TO7GJ) >> P.O. Box 73 >> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073 >> USA >> TEL: (406) 626-5728 >> QTH: DN27ub >> URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj >> Skype: lanceW7GJ >> 2m DXCC #11 - 6m DXCC #815 - FFMA #7 >> >> Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the new Magic Band EME >> email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web >> page (above)! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 22:02:34 +0000 >> From: Lou Mecseri [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Thank Wayne, you will not receive a similar policy statement from ICOM, >> YAESU or any other HAM gear manufacturer. >> >> Thank You Wayne/Elecraft/ >> >> 73, Lou KE1F >> >>> On 4/21/2022 21:49, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> In response to this voluminous thread: >>> >>> First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our >>> radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. >>> >>> Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other >>> electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime >>> of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle >>> supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. >>> >>> I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these >>> issues. As evidence I could point to: >>> >>> - the K2, still in production after 20 years >>> >>> - the KX3, still in production after 10 years >>> >>> - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're >>> acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing >>> support) >>> >>> This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, >>> replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a >>> new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. >>> >>> Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new >>> accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware >>> updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our >>> roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a >>> community of growth and camaraderie. >>> >>> Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 18:11:04 -0400 >> From: Julia Tuttle [email protected] >> >> To: Wayne Burdick [email protected] >> >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: >> caevebro6zr5opkxqb9xbhytrjg2e_fe8qedkyp-foty8oyn...@mail.gmail.com >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Wait, so what is the deal with K3 modules? I thought there was a "last >> call" for orders a while back. Are y'all finding second sources or >> re-engineering modules to make those available again? >> >>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:49 PM Wayne Burdick [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> In response to this voluminous thread: >>> >>> First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our >>> radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. >>> >>> Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other >>> electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime >>> of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle >>> supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. >>> >>> I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these >>> issues. As evidence I could point to: >>> >>> - the K2, still in production after 20 years >>> >>> - the KX3, still in production after 10 years >>> >>> - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're >>> acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing >>> support) >>> >>> This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, >>> replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a >>> new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. >>> >>> Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new >>> accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware >>> updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our >>> roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a >>> community of growth and camaraderie. >>> >>> Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:21:22 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> OK - I have to respond to this one. >> >> >> >> A sign in my local gas station sums it up - "The whole world has gone mad. >> Don't take it out on the ones who show up" >> >> >> >> I'm 100%c certain that Wayne, and everyone else at Elecraft want to provide >> the absolute BEST customer service to ALL of their customers, and are doing >> everything in their power to do so. But, "stuff happens"; and sometimes a >> leader must make the "best choice" of multiple "horrible" choices, all of >> which have negative consequences. >> >> >> >> And to paraphrase my wise GP - "No one's baby will die if we don't get our >> radios back as fast as we might expect" >> >> >> >> 73! >> >> >> >> Clay >> >> N7QNM >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:24:35 -0700 >> From: Richard Hill [email protected] >> >> To: Julia Tuttle [email protected] >> >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: >> CAOsRE3rux6eAxnVnaXGNy=4ztuovpacog8lcp1gzrbgdbtb...@mail.gmail.com >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to order >> when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they could >> build and ship to know purchasers?and perhaps more. >> >> NU6T >> >>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 3:11 PM Julia Tuttle [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Wait, so what is the deal with K3 modules? I thought there was a "last >>> call" for orders a while back. Are y'all finding second sources or >>> re-engineering modules to make those available again? >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:49 PM Wayne Burdick [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> In response to this voluminous thread: >>>> >>>> First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our >>>> radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. >>>> >>>> Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other >>>> electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design >>>> lifetime >>>> of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle >>>> supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. >>>> >>>> I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these >>>> issues. As evidence I could point to: >>>> >>>> - the K2, still in production after 20 years >>>> >>>> - the KX3, still in production after 10 years >>>> >>>> - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, >>>> we're >>>> acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue >>>> providing >>>> support) >>>> >>>> This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, >>>> replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a >>>> new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. >>>> >>>> Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new >>>> accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware >>>> updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with >>>> our >>>> roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a >>>> community of growth and camaraderie. >>>> >>>> Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [email protected] >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> -- >> Richard Hill >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:30:41 -0700 >> From: jerry [email protected] >> >> To: Elecraft Reflector [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >>> On 2022-04-21 14:49, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> It comes down to two things: the >>> design lifetime of modern, miniature components like ICs and >>> connectors; and a fickle supply chain--one that imploded because of >>> events of the past two years. >> >> >> This reminds me of a youtube video I recently watched. "Curious Mark" >> was trying to fix an HP ( or Agilent, or whatever they're calling >> themselves >> these days ) tracking generator from the 90's. He had an interesting >> conversation with HP: >> >> "Could you give me the schematic?" >> >> "I'm sorry, we don't give that out for newer equipment". >> >> "OK, could I send it in for repair?" >> >> "I'm sorry, we don't do that for older equipment". >> >> ...He wound up fixing it himself. An amazing feat of reverse >> engineering. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVrDyLMVS4U >> >> >> - Jerry KF6VB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these >>> issues. As evidence I could point to: >>> >>> - the K2, still in production after 20 years >>> >>> - the KX3, still in production after 10 years >>> >>> - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, >>> we're acquiring the components to build additional modules and >>> continue providing support) >>> >>> This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, >>> replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on >>> a new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. >>> >>> Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new >>> accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware >>> updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent >>> with our roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of >>> Elmers in a community of growth and camaraderie. >>> >>> Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 22:53:32 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Steve Masticola [email protected] >> >> To: "[email protected]" [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Tim N9PUZ has an excellent point. Manufacturers of any long-lived electronic >> equipment have a neverending battle with component obsolescence. Say an FPGA >> goes end-of-life and there is no pin-compatible part. This is a problem that >> I have had professional experience with -- and which AFAIK has no good >> solution without taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in engineering >> costs. In another instance, a jellybean processor was declared end-of-life >> and the entire product line (dozens of products) had to be redesigned to >> keep it manufacturable. I doubt that Elecraft (or Flex, for that matter) has >> the funds for a lot of that sort of workaround. >> It's possible to take some engineering measures against component >> obsolescence, e.g. to design with multiple-source components. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:31:01 -0700 >> From: Wayne Burdick [email protected] >> >> To: Richard Hill [email protected] >> >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Richard Hill [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to order >>> when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they could >>> build and ship to know purchasers?and perhaps more. >> >> >> Yes. We completed that process. Some of the "last call" modules are in >> fabrication or will be soon, while others are waiting for parts to become >> available. >> >> We're building some extras of each module. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:24:53 -0700 >> From: Richard Hill [email protected] >> >> To: Wayne Burdick [email protected] >> >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you >> Message-ID: >> caosre3ryoyrqwaeabczudhtdhmur9t-ctkqyqgwah7e8nod...@mail.gmail.com >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Thank you! >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:31 PM Wayne Burdick [email protected] wrote: >> >>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Richard Hill [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to >>>> order when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they >>>> could build and ship to know purchasers?and perhaps more. >>> >>> Yes. We completed that process. Some of the "last call" modules are in >>> fabrication or will be soon, while others are waiting for parts to become >>> available. >>> >>> We're building some extras of each module. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> -- >> >> Richard Hill >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:48:46 -0800 >> From: Ed Cole [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Boy, a lot of comments on this topic. I'll try to brief: >> >> I bought my K3/10 in 2010. My primary use was for eme using >> transverters so I did not need 100w version. I did buy the KXV3 and >> TCXO-03, EXREF, and KRX3. Decided on the 8-pole filters (13, 2.8, 0.400 >> MHz in the main Rx and 2.8 in the sub-Rx). >> >> Main focus was the low phase-noise LO and superb CW performance (I had a >> FT-847 before which I ran 2m-eme, but HF was mediocre). The K3 fit my >> needs (as my forever radio). >> >> I acquired a KX3 plus 2m module and then the KXPA-100 (targeting >> portable/mobile use including as IF for mw operations). The KXPA-100 >> fit well with the K3/10 as a bonus. >> >> Only had one issue needing repair on the K3 and that was my KI03A >> apparently was hit blowing up a ferrite choke and IC. I could have >> upgraded to a KI03B but really did not need the USB I/F. Part >> availability and perhaps manpower issue delayed return for about three >> months (summer 2019). I could not operate digital eme modes without the >> board. >> >> Probably will not upgrade to a K4D, but sure looks nice. I', estimating >> maybe ten more years of ham radio (64-years as a ham, so far). One last >> solar cycle peak (first was 1958). >> >> Certainly many new SDR to chose from now days. >> >> Choosing a new rig is about what your needs and use are. A used K3 or >> K3s would not be a bad choice (if you want it fast). K4 is probably >> worth waiting for. >> >> Side note: just bought new John Deere lawn tractor/mower for $4K >> ($400/year payback). But my old Craftsman is 13 years old (and it wants >> to retire). Well I've been retired 13 years. >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> 2022 projects: >> HF/6m 1200w MRF1k50 amplifier (kit) >> 2m-eme array/tower rebuild >> 16-foot dish rebuild >> 6-foot dish for 10-GHz eme >> Renovation of storage shed into ham shack/work shop >> just taking it easy this summer (and spending too much money) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 05:23:28 +0000 >> From: Jim Stockwell [email protected] >> >> To: "[email protected]" [email protected] >> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: >> byapr17mb280872b59440cce0ec8bca9ebc...@byapr17mb2808.namprd17.prod.outlook.com >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I also have a K3S in need of service. I submitted an Elecraft support >> request on February 7, 2022 and was told that I was #11 on the wait list. >> After waiting 6 weeks, I send another email to Elecraft support to see if I >> had moved up on the list. At that time I was told "While you're # 11 on the >> waitlist, #1 is also waiting." I also have a K4 on order from December, 2021 >> , but it's not looking like I'll have a repaired K3s or a new K4 anytime >> soon. Still waiting. >> >> Jim W6KC >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:02:45 -0700 >> From: Jim Brown [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: >> [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >>> On 4/21/2022 1:52 PM, turnbull wrote: >>> >>> ? It is not so long ago that the K3S and slightly different K3 were in >>> production.? ?Certainly not seven years for the K3S.? ? I am dissapointed >>> with Elecraft on this issue. >> >> >> Hi Doug, >> >> The K3 was first sold in late 2007-early 2008, designed around parts >> that were available at least by late 2006. The Elecraft K2 and K3 are >> modular designs; the K3S is K3 with some of those modules updated. >> >> MANY years ago, I managed the service department of a large Chicago >> sound contractor. Repair-ability is strongly dependent on the >> availability of parts; the COST of a repair depends on the labor to >> diagnose the problem(s), the cost of repair parts, the labor to replace >> them, and the labor to do any needed alignment and testing. >> >> It's not unusual for certain major parts around which a product is >> designed to go obsolete, be unobtainable, and for there to be no >> practical replacement. That happened to Ten Tec with their first solid >> state power amp, which was designed around newly developed Motorola >> devices. After only a year or two, Motorola found a fundamental problem >> with them, and discontinued them, with NO replacement. I bought one of >> those amps used, fully understanding the issue. It was a nice amp, well >> protected. I used it for a while in Chicago, eventually selling it after >> moving to W6. >> >> Elecraft's modular design concept has contributed to making them a very >> good corporate citizen. You want to upgrade a JA radio, you sell it and >> buy a new one, and in the case of Yaesu, the second upgrade to their >> '90s flagship still didn't fix their very nasty clicks, and their newer >> generation of rigs that replaced them are holy terrors for clicks and >> splatter. >> >> The average model cycle of JA radios is one half to one quarter that of >> the two K3s I bought in early 2008, and that are still in active use on >> my SO2R operating desk today. When the new K3S modules were available, I >> upgraded to the new synth boards and the new transverter boards. Both >> units have been repaired at least once. Eventually the time will come >> when failure of key parts will make them unrepairable. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 03:09:22 -0400 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: [Elecraft] K4D - programming command to set or get low and >> high cut RX filters? >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I am writing a Node Red interface to the K4D and looking through the >> programming reference manual. Is there a command to retrieve or set actual >> current low or high cut values of the receive filter? This would be useful >> as a way to have more than three filters defined. I know there is a command >> to select one of the three filters in the radio, but looking to be able to >> change those from an external source. >> >> >> >> >> >> 73 >> >> Dave wo2x >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 06:14:22 -0500 >> From: Ronnie Hull [email protected] >> >> To: Jim Stockwell [email protected] >> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service >> Message-ID: [email protected] >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> I?m in same boat Jim. Currently using a borrowed 7300 but I have to give it >> back this coming week so at that point I?m just off the air. I?m number 18 >> on the list since February with no change >> My K3 had just come back from Elecraft after a repair and failed almost >> immediately. I guess that doesn?t count >> Ron W5SUM >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:23 AM, Jim Stockwell [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> ?I also have a K3S in need of service. I submitted an Elecraft support >>> request on February 7, 2022 and was told that I was #11 on the wait list. >>> After waiting 6 weeks, I send another email to Elecraft support to see if I >>> had moved up on the list. At that time I was told "While you're # 11 on the >>> waitlist, #1 is also waiting." I also have a K4 on order from December, >>> 2021 , but it's not looking like I'll have a repaired K3s or a new K4 >>> anytime soon. Still waiting. >>> >>> Jim W6KC >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [email protected] >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> You must be a subscriber to post. >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 216, Issue 12 >> ***************************************** > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [email protected] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [email protected]
