I always discard the "Well! There are the WARC bands!" answer. You can't work short/medium haul on 30 most of the time. and no CW allowed on 60 meters! Personally, I don't see why they don't open 30/17/12 meters up to contesting as well as the other bands. Basically 17/12 meters have been quite useless most of the past few years, or at least can't be relied on due to poor propagation conditions.

Although I do like some contests, there isn't ANY reason 99% of the time for a contest that lasts longer than 24 hours!

One of the best things that happened to contesting is the "sprint" or 2-4 hour window for most contests that are not "DX" contests. After so many operating hours, what started out as "fun" turns out being a chore and a bore.

my two additional penny's worth.

73,

Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message ----- From: "N2TK, Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Sandy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report


I am sure we can have many points of view on this topic. I happen to be in
the group that says let's enjoy contests and try to get as much activity as
possible, regardless of the mode.
Hey, there is always 12, 17 and 30M for non-contesters.
Also, you may want to read what Hollingsworth said at Dayton about contests
and contesters.

73,
N2TK, Tony

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
To: David Thompson
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out.  NOW is the time to
support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting the mode.

The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms "hell"
for others who would like a piece of the pie too.  This will get worse as
modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.

There IS a simple solution:  retrict the contests to a small slice of the
band.  Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray out of these
"assigned segments".  The "penalty" would be disqualification of log for
those who do so. This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB and others stand
by these standards so that the contesters would not monopolize the WHOLE
band with their "fun"!

There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole CW or whole
SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band during the
contests.

I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken steps to usually
restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to avoid stepping

on the toes of those who wish not to participate.

Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CX Report


Sandy,

I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling CQ YL and at 0Z
the North American Sprint came on.  These guys tried to steam roll me.
K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO.  Moved to 40 to
get
away from them.

This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to SSB from CW as
some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.

A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and almost no one
came.  Now they and those sprints are all over plus there is a RTTY one
every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see posts about
them).  Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and now those
sprints are weeknights.

I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around for years and
quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off the map.  Too
bad.

What to do?  I have complained to the three or four people who CONTROL
contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.

73 Dave K4JRB




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