And then there's the frogs! The ant tuner will shut them all up for a few minutes! Of course, there is always the possibility of using a feedline that is matched to the antenna and good grounds etc. I've been runnning a vertical made by Mosely back in the late 1950's, with 80 feet of RG-8. Unfortunately it is only a 4 band 40 - 10 no WARC, BUT it'll tune all 4 bands to under 1.5:1 and no need for tuners. The dipole is another story. Al WA6VNN
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