Brett Howard wrote:
That's just bogus!  Its NOT the speed that you need to get competent at.
It's the speed that many people may be competent at but not all of us.  If
you guys are going to continue to tell people that they need to get
competent at 25-35 then you can simply kiss CW goodbye.  If people
(especially DX an DXpedition type stations) are unwilling to slow down and
give new CW ops some of the fun contacts then why would we be willing to
want to continue to learn CW?

It depends on what 'competent' is. There's a big difference between being able to carry on a conversation at 25-30 wpm and being able to make a contest/dx QSO. In fact, contests are a very good place to improve your CW ability. You hear the same exchange over and over again, and ultimately you begin to pick things out.

Maybe a 5 wpm operator will not be able to make the leap to copying his own call at 25 wpm, but probably a 15 wpm operator can.
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73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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