I'm struggling a bit to understand your preference to the Molex connectors. I find them troublesome from the standpoint of making your own connectors as opposed to the APP's. By the way, I think the "standard" Molex seems to be the 6 pin rather than the 4 pin--at least of late. My Icom and Kenwood rigs use the 6 pin, and the same pinout pattern. The Molex connectors are nice in that they are gendered, and they lock. I certainly like that. But I question that they are more durable. I just stepped on an APP (with my 200 plus pounds), and nothing happened--it's still fine.

My biggest concern with APP's is that they don't lock together. It hasn't been a problem, but it just seems it could be. They do make some plastic accessory clamps to hold two connections together--guess I should try those.

But for me, it's all about how easy it is to put together a connection, and the APP's seem the easiest right now by far. However, I crimp, which you (and several others) don't like. But I concluded from the arguments back and forth about soldering vs. crimping that soldering was just fine for most uses since we aren't using them in high stress situations more often than not. But I did not conclude that soldering was better! It was just that most seemed to feel it was only important if you were dealing with issues like jet plane vibrations, etc. I'll certainly buy that. But I think you still have to draw the ultimate conclusion from that argument that crimping is better, but not necessary! Maybe most would agree with that, and I would too.

So, I would conclude that the popularity of APP's is substantially because they are fast and easy, yet effective. They are fastest if you crimp. It would be nice, however, if they locked together, and maybe it would be better if they were gendered. Also, many folks want to standardize their connections. That too is more easily done using APP's.

APP's are not the ultimate answer--not by a long shot. But they do serve a good purpose for many. If that wasn't true, people wouldn't be using them so much. If you don't like them, don't use them. If you don't like the fact that the K3 has them, make a pigtail adapter, and then use what you want. That's certainly easy enough to do.

Dave W7AQK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Harpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Alternatives to PowerPoles?



The major 13vdc ham radio equipment input power connector is the 4 pin Molex. This connector has proven in thousands of uses to be adequate to the voltage, the current, and the physical demands of this utilization. It is the de facto standard on K, I, and Y radios (for the vast majority) and the single only connector (other than the PL259-SO etc) that all three mfgs. amazingly agree on, making at least this matter so much easier for hams with different equipment mfgs.The four pins are often all used to increase the power handling capacity of the two-wire application. However, theMolex in all its pin configurations has a number of drawbacks.... -one time installation (unless the use of a special tool to retract the installed pins is used), i.e., not reusable,-lack of strain relief.-lack of positive attachment fixture (i.e., it could be accidentaly pulled out rather easily).Good points are resistance to crush (step on), can stand multiple plug in and out, is very well keyed and can take solder with care. It is reasonably available, but not in India, for example. It does not need glue. Formerly, some mfgs. used a two pin mic connector which likely had the power handling ok, took soldering well altho the pins are close together, and had both a great positive attachment (screw on) and a fairly good strain relief. Drawback was possible confusion of thisconnector with a mic.The Cinch Jones is a good alternative because it comes in many pin configurations, including two, is very well keyed, takes soldering very well, has a good strain relief, is vy reusable, is medium resistant to crush, can be pulled out too easily, is widely available (altho its uses are dropping, restricting its availability), The size of the two-pin version is nearly the same as the 4 pin Molex. The A Power Poles are the weakest of this line up of connectors and a very strange choice for ham radio applications.Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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