I heard some one say that a balanced tuner is very expensive to build. I used some quarter inch copper tubing from the hardware store to build a four inch coil. This is the tubing for a ice maker. I then built a four inch coil and tapped it to a multi position switch from radio shack. I had a used large old condenser and hooked the whole thing up in a L network design. I left the ground connection floating on both input and output and connected it directly to ladder line. A current balun was made out of 25 ft of coax and put at the input of the tuner. Works great on my 330 ft loop. No second coil is necessary. Everything is balanced and nothing heats up. Kind of ugly looking, but the electrons don't seem to mind.>>

Bruce,

I looked at this issue extensively when the whole myth about moving baluns came out.

Moving the balun to the input of an unbalanced network does NOT make life on the balun or the system easier for the truly difficult problem, common mode isolation. It does not change a thing to the better for common mode currents or isolation, and it actually makes the system worse on higher bands where network physical size and unwanted stray capacitance affects balance.

It takes exactly the same common mode impedance and common mode current and voltage capacity in the balun if it is located at the tuner output or at the tuner input when the network is a floating unbalanced network. The core (if used) will get just as hot, and current unbalance (except for stray capacitance or network transmission line effects) will be exactly the same.

If you draw it on paper and trace the path from one lead of the transmission line you will see exactly what mean. There is a direct connection from one side of the balanced antenna terminals to the balun, and this means the balun has EXACTLY the same common mode problems. The only thing you modify is the differential impedance, and it is extremely easy to solve that issue with any current balun so you really just fix something that is largely a non-issue to start with.

Now if you used a real balanced network with series impedances in each leg and in particular some perfectly ground reference point for the shunt elements, you would make common mode life easier for the balun BUT the drawback is you now have a balanced voltage source which may or may not supply balanced currents. The symmetry of the network is also critical. You have, in essence, exactly the same expense and difficulty as simply building a balanced tuner of any standard configuration.

A manufacturer would be misleading customers if it claimed they had a balanced tuner when using an non-symmetrical floating network with a balun on the input. It would be no better than the same balun on the output, and likely much worse on upper bands.

I'm afraid there is no free lunch. It has to be a balanced network which means at least double the cost of the expensive components, or you can simply build a good balun and use an unbalanced network on the balun input. Building a very good balun for the output is less than half the overall cost of using an expensive true-balanced network, I know because I priced this stuff out dozens of times.

There might be a marketing or sales advantage to customers who feel good about a balun on the input, but that would be dishonest or incompetent engineering by the manufacturer to claim it did anything for system performance.

73 Tom






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