Casual operation has rarely strained my radios, and my MP and my K2 are quite 
adequate for that.  When we get to contesting, all facilities are strained.  I 
prefer the K2 audio to the K3, and sometime soon I will get to the bottom of 
that.  The quickest, sharpest, deepest skirts on selectivity still belong to my 
MP with matched 8 pole INRAD filters in 8 Mhz and 455 kHz IF's.  (I know that's 
heresy, but so be it...)

On receiver front-end, overload immunity and SDR-driven DSP magic (like 
blanking key clicks), with more to come, the K3 leaves everything else in the 
dust. But I pick roofing filters to get as close as I can to the MP+INRAD+INRAD 
skirt performance. 

BOTH K3 selectivities (roofing and DSP) need to be matched to produce optimal 
rejection of signals just outside of the desired listening window.   I have the 
"400" and "250" 8 poles in my K3 and list them as 450 and 350 in the filter 
setup. The bulk of my operation in a contest is RUNNING, not search and pounce, 
for DX tests mostly using a very large 40m antenna fixed on Europe, and with 
huge differentials (80+ db) between desired weak signals and undesired strong 
signals just above and below.   I also specifically use the [sometimes 
complained about] "mild" difference between the two to advantage, as I use BOTH 
for running, and use 350/300 when I need it just a bit tighter. 

While I could narrow down with a 5 pole 200 on a weak station, 1/3 or more of 
the stations calling are off my frequency, often because the current packet 
spot is up or down.   And I'm not allowed to spot myself to fix it.   I have to 
keep a window to hear them or someone else gets the top score. 

The next CW station can be up/down only 350 Hz, meaning that outside the 
listening window, the skirt needs to dive for ultimate rejection as fast as 
possible. Being flat at +/- 175 is not the issue when setting at 350 width, 
it's how far down the combination of skirts has gone at +/- 225.  The most 
important thing is where are the skirts halfway down and how much more do they 
drop with another 10 Hz, NOT the 3 db or 6 db points.  The 8 pole roofers are 
part of making those skirts dive more in 10 Hz halfway down. 

I set up my filters at the +/- 50 dB points, and eagerly await the day when CW 
widths and shifts are in 10 Hz increments. 

I have had some extremely vociferous contradictions from some insisting that 
the 8 pole roofers are simply a waste, and a wide and narrow 5 pole are all 
needed, but my contest experience continues to suggest otherwise.

All of the above are in stark contrast to casual operation.  Buy filters for 
how you use the radio. If you are into hard contesting, do it with 8 poles.

73, Guy
K2AV


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