Rudy,

I think it is dangerous to reason based on assumptions about not only 
development costs but also overall margins and any other numbers that a company 
does not disclose. Making assumptions based on what is average simply doesn't 
account for the fact that every company is different from average. It is the 
kind of reasoning that the government engages in: destroying private enterprise 
by trying to replace the invisible hand with public beliefs.

That said, I think it is fair and useful to vent about what features are 
meaningful to oneself as a user, what one would buy or not buy etc. I don't 
think there is anybody out there who can speak for all or even for the majority 
of hams, and I think the Aptos folks want to know what we want at the 
individual level.

73,
Erik
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rudy Bakalov 
  To: [email protected] ; Erik N Basilier 
  Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 etc.


        Erik,

        I would imagine that all of us on this reflector are here because we do 
believe that Elecraft products are superior and of great value.  However, it is 
important to distinguish between price and cost as it is this difference (the 
margins) that fuel product development.


        Let's assume for a moment that Elecraft sells about 1500 K3s per year 
for an average price of $3,500.  Let's also assume that the team makes a decent 
living in CA and each of the 4 members brings home about $125,000 per year.  
Right there we have a fixed labor cost of $500,000 per year or about 10% of 
sales.  As you can see, not much is left if the overall company margins are in 
the 10-15% range, which is normal for low volume manufacturing.


        Why do we care about all this?  We do because it is important to 
understand how our desires and demands for features, products, etc. impact the 
bottom line and, based on that impact, the likelihood of them happening..


        So, do we want amps at the expense of superior core products 
performance?  Is there a unique amp feature that existing products do not meet 
and therefore there is an opportunity for Elecraft?  Can we live with an OEM 
product?  These are some of the questions that are important to consider and 
naturally the answers will be different for each of us on the reflector.


        Elecraft is an amazing company that despite its size has truly changed 
the competitive landscape of the ham industry.


        Rudy N2WQ
        --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Erik N Basilier <[email protected]> wrote:


          From: Erik N Basilier <[email protected]>
          Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 etc.
          To: "Rudy Bakalov" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
          Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:59 PM


          IMHO it seems that Elecraft has a unique formula for superior 
development work at lradically lower cost (just look at what they have done 
with so few people), and I don't think they want to bring that cost up to what 
other companies are paying. Telling them what they are not able to do doesn't 
seem like a good bet.

          73,
          Erik K7TV

          ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudy Bakalov" 
<[email protected]>
          To: <[email protected]>
          Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:23 PM
          Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-800 etc.


          IMHO, taking the OEM route is Elecraft's best approach to meeting the 
demand for amplifiers and other products that are expensive to develop and 
bring to market. Elecraft is a small company with very limited capital and 
resources and new, R&D intensive products are unlikely to be commercially 
viable.


       
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