I can believe anyone who says that the heard delay trips them up. At the extreme end of this general aural phenomenon is the well-known two or three second delay to bleep profanity on radio talk shows, which almost always trips up the caller if they leave the radio on in the background.
I suspect we have a grey line here, where 3 seconds on one end is a delay that 99% can't tolerate, and what we have in processing delay in the K3. The K3, from reading postings, does not bother a lot of people, with some who find it USEFUL., and yet is still enough to bother others. That sounds like a menu option if I ever heard one, not a request for reversal to preprocessor audio. Fairly easy to understand. Want no delay, have to listen before processing. Want to listen to processing have to listen after processing, delayed by whatever processing you wanted to listen to. For those who want pre-audio, with an option they can switch it to post long enough to hear what's going out and set whatever, but then they can switch it off for operating. For what it's worth I cannot type delayed behind CW I'm copying and have tried to do that all my life. My contesting/traffic buddy W2CS can type 4,5 letters behind and talk at the same time. If I set MM to start a return exchange before I've finished typing in a call, I'll blow the QSO, every time, no exceptions. I HAVE to copy as I receive. Gary doesn't. The FT1000MP had a cw monitor setting, where you could listen to the waveform using the key/paddle closure, or listen to the CW after the bucket brigade delay which waited for the amp keying delay. I could deal with delays to about 10 ms, but after that I couldn't send. It literally felt like the key wasn't closing and I found myself hitting the paddle harder to make it work. At 30ms delay I was sending gibberish. Sending hand key code with the 30ms delay was entirely laughable. The point: the ability to deal with delays seems a highly variable thing for a given individual, and those bothered by delays maybe don't have a chance of the proverbial snowball in h*** of coping with it. And as bad as I am, the K3 speech processing delay doesn't bother me, which only puts me somewhere on the line between the extremes. 73, Guy. On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <li...@subich.com> wrote: > >> In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose >> "pre" audio, ie with no discernable delays. > > If it has to be one or the other, I would strongly argue for > "no change." One of the most important uses for monitor is > to actually monitor the quality of one's own transmission. > That simply can't happen if the monitor is a copy of audio > from the mic preamp without any other processing applied by > the transceiver. > > The delays in the K3 are not long enough provide any significant > operational issue. Any slight slowing of speech rate is welcome > with some of the "machine gun" operators. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cutter >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:27 AM >> To: Lyle Johnson; Guy Olinger K2AV >> Cc: pd0psb; elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3 >> >> >> In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose >> "pre" audio, ie >> with no discernable delays. One of the biggest annoyances >> I've had in a >> contest situation is adjacent operators shouting down the mic >> because they >> don't or can't listen to a monitor of their own voice. >> Feedback is also a >> problem, but, on balance, I prefer a little side tone in my >> ear. One reason >> I don't like mobile phones - no side tone. >> >> David >> G3UNA >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lyle Johnson" <k...@wavecable.com> >> >> > >> >> Is it possible to select "pre" vs. "post" audio for the MON? >> > >> > I'll take a look, but no promises or New Year's resolutions :-) >> > >> > 73, >> > >> > Lyle KK7P >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
