Daniel Bishop wrote:
Eric Gorr wrote:
In a recent conversation with an IRV supporter I asked the question:
What cases would you accept as failure of IRV?
They answered:
Where the general public (or a significant fraction of it) failed to accept the results as legitimate, or at least beyond question. The 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections are examples of failed elections. San Franciso's election was heralded as a success.
They also believe that IRV has never failed to produce a fully satisfactory result. Can anyone provide evidence to the contrary?
It's going to be hard to find an example.
I think you have misunderstood the kind of example I am looking for.
Take a real case where IRV was used in an election. By the above definition of a failure, one may see many newsreports of a widespread belief that the winner was a poor one.
If such a case exists, it would be easy to spot.
The only thing that makes this hard is that I am not sure anyone has taken a close look at every election in which IRV was used.
IRV CANNOT AFFORD to do the complete vote counts that would permit comparison. Ballots sometimes are kept around for recounts - if these were counted by Condorcet rules we would have ammunition. Even here it would take a lot of recounting for, usually, Condorcet and IRV are going to agree.
I constructed an example that could happen - my voters could know expectable results. Usually voters do not know what to expect close enough to complain with certainty.
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