At 02:10 PM 6/16/2005, Araucaria Araucana wrote:
You all are missing the point of my original question.

Abd advocates allowing overvotes to instantly enable approval voting.

But sneaking approval in this way

I'm certainly not recommending "sneaking." Rather, as part of the reform process, fixing the overvote rule, I'd make it clear that this would implement Approval voting, but in a mild and gentle way that would not necessarily change people's voting habits, at least not immediately. Change would be gradual, most likely.

doesn't solve the more general
problem of eliminating the primary.  I *do* want to eliminate the
primary, since it is merely an artifact of plurality/SVFPP.

I agree that primaries are part of the problem. But I'm not putting my major efforts into solving the political party problem, but into solving the overall organizational problem. If we can find a way to create organizations that are trustworthy by design, to communicate, coordinate, and foster cooperation, we can control the parties. By "we," of course, I don't mean what some political activists mean, "me and those who agree with me." I really do mean creating a fully democratic process, which I trust, *if properly structured*, will produce better results than I could, myself, even imagine.

And then we could talk a lot about what "properly structured" means. And I very much invite discussion of this or of any related topics on the BeyondPolitics wiki, http://beyondpolitics.org/wiki

Certainly I have some ideas. But hopefully the results will be much better than my own ideas. But if nobody is working on the metaproblem.... we'll be pushing that rock up the hill again.

So sure, I say go ahead and allow overvoting.  But don't lose sight of
the end goal.

Indeed.


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