On Wed, 16 May 2001, Martin Harper wrote:
> Forest Simmons wrote:
>
> >
> > On Wed, 16 May 2001, Markus Schulze wrote:
> >> However, also the pairwise matrix doesn't say how many BAC votes there are.
> >> You seem to believe that the voters want to know how many BAC votes there
> >> are only when IRV is used but not when a pairwise method is used.
> >>
> >> Markus Schulze
> >
> > The pairwise matrix would be sufficient for the critique of IRV as well.
>
> Sufficient for the critique of IRV from the standpoint of the Condorcet
> Criterion. Insufficient for the critique of IRV from the standpoint of
> the Majority Criterion, which would require first place votes in addition.
>
Very true.
And even the all the ballot information together wouldn't reveal the
insincere voting necessary to get the Condorcet Winner in case it did.
Forest
