At 12:33 PM 1/19/2007, Ken Kuhlman wrote: >Do you find it at all ironic to be recommending the establishment of >a dictator >to solve the problems of a group dedicated to promoting democracy & >election methods?
I did, and I wrote to him. >Free speech may be messy, but it's better than selling our souls & >bowing before a moderator czar. That's not the only possible solution. Indeed, the solution has been known as in widespread use for a long, long time. It's called Robert's Rules of Order, and the chair is the equivalent of a moderator; the members of the "meeting" have absolute authority over the chair at all times, the chair merely acts as the servant of the majority, with the proper respect accorded to minority opinion that is enshrined in Robert's Rules. Which allows the expression of any opinion, but under rules of order. >Perhaps there's another method of organizing the group that can help >alleviate some of the pain, however. I recently ran across the free >list serving site Nabble, which has an innovative solution to these >problems. Take a look at www.nabble.com, particularly the FAQ >question here: http://www.nabble.com/help/Answer.jtp?id=28. > >Does anyone have experience with Nabble, or know of other reasonable >solutions to this problem? It's time we stop pretending the problem >doesn't exist. At this stage, there is a simple solution. I've got the flu today and a headache, so I don't have the strength to look at Nabble. But, quite simply, the group should have an active moderator with the power to put a member who is disruptive to the list, causing harm, defined, if necessary, by vote. At this stage, it is quite sufficient to guarantee freedom of speech that nothing the moderator does is secret, and, further, that the moderator will respect a vote of the "membership." Votes under RR are almost always simple Yes/No questions; the amendment process is used to make the kinds of refinement of the question that is reflected in Condorcet or Range criteria, so we don't need to use advanced election methods in the process. However, where there are a number of choices to be made, Range is excellent for gathering information about the state of the membership, for the use of the moderator as well as for the members should a motion be presented for vote. A Range vote could drastically shorten the deliberative time necessary to discover consensus, and groups like this should always attempt to reach broad consensus, particularly before taking drastic action. A moderator is trusted to take such action is necessary *prior* to a group decision, but subject to review and appeal.... There are ways to keep this tidy, this list does not have to become cluttered with arguments about process that distract from its purpose, but I'll leave a description of those ways for later.... ---- election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
