Juho says:

I'd still appreciate the "no Nash equilibria problem" to be demonstrated as a real life example. Well, maybe you think you already did this :-).

I reply:

As I said, my margins order-reversal example may be the example that you ask for. It remains for me to check it, to find out if the B & C voters can save B without defensive order-reversal. Maybe so, maybe not. If so, then I’ll post an example in which they cannot.

But your smiley suggests that my examples are not what you mean by “real life example”s. Well, since margins isn’t in use anywhere, it would be difficult to find real life examples. All one can do is show what can happen.

Now you’re doubting that the voters will end up at a Nash equilibrium.What can I say? Nash equilibria occur and are used in legal systems and throughout the animal kingdom. By bees too? Maybe!

If, from a given voting configuration, it’s possible for a group of voters to improve their outcome by voting differently, then why shouldn’t they? You know, the person who should be expected to defend his claim is the person claiming that Nash equilibria won’t matter.

You’re proposing a voting system that will often have situations in which the only Nash equilibria, the only stable outcomes, are ones in which people order-reverse. Do you realize how far you’re going in order to forgive that big fault of margins?

It isn’t as if only a few methods meet Unreversed Nash Equilibrium Criterion (URNEC). That criterion is met by wv, Approval, the various other point-rating methods (collectively known as Cardinal Ratings, or CR), MDDA, MAMPO, and Bucklin.

Methods that fail URNEC?: Plurality, IRV, margins, among others.

Methods that fail URNEC I refer to as “reversed methods”. You advocate a reversed method, one in which voting configurations with order-reversal will often be the only stable voting configurations.

Mike Ossipoff


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