On Jul 17, 2008, at 20:14 , Diego Santos wrote:
2008/7/17 James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Diego Santos > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:32 PM
2008/7/17 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The main issue is the party list vs PR-STV question. The
problem is
that a party list system breaks the link between the candidate
and the
elected member. Party members must remain loyal to the
party as the party has all the power.
It is not always true. Open list PR keeps the relation
between the candidate and the voter.
This is true only of the most complicated versions of open-list
party-list PR voting systems. Most open-list party-list voting
systems do not give PR within each party. The relation between
the candidate and the voter is remote.
James Gilmour
Although intra-party proportionality is not guaranteed by simple OLPR
systems, the relation candidate/voter is not so remote in many
scenarios. For example, in the last elections for Brazilian Chamber of
Deputies, 68% of non-spoiled ballots in my multi-member district are
for elected candidates. I don't think the outcome would be too
different if this election was performed using STV.
And the votes to non-elected candidates go to the party anyway, so
one knows who one's second favourite was even if the vote didn't list
that candidate by name and thereby contribute to electing him/her. In
STV the voter knows to whom the vote went if the first preference
candidate was not elected. But since this is a secret that only the
voter knows the difference between the two cases is not big.
Juho
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