At 03:57 AM 1/22/2010, James Gilmour wrote:
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second set of rules are those that prescribe the transfer of votes "to the bitter end", i.e. even after the winners have all been determined. Under this rule a ballot marked "A" would be treated differently from a ballot marked "A>B": at the last possible transfer, the "A" ballot would become 'non-transferable (exhausted)', but the "A>B" ballot would be transferred to A.

You mean transferred to B, of course.

This second rule is, of course, a stupid rule but that does not mean it has not been implemented in some jurisdictions, including,
sadly, Scotland.

Not stupid, precisely because of the difference between A>B and A. The former is an acceptance of the last listed preference, the latter is not. It makes a difference if a majority is required. Not if it is not, though it might make a difference with some methods. But not IRV.

It is also a highly undesirable rule because it means that my vote could, in some circumstances, be transferred to the candidate I deliberately ranked last in the lowest possible place, e.g. 12th out of 12 candidates.

Basically, if there are as many ranks as candidates, don't vote for that last one! That's your choice, unless full ranking is required, in which case you *can't* vote the truncated vote and it is irrelevant if it's counted or not.

  Following on from the
concept of 'Later No Harm' (which underpins the whole of contingency voting, as in IRV and STV-PR), it is very important to be able to give a voter the absolutely assurance that under no circumstances will her vote ever be transferred to the candidate she has ranked 12th out of 12. Sadly, the stupid "transfer to the bitter end" rule undermines this.

Only because of voter ignorance, an ignorance which has sometimes been encouraged by activists.

The ballot instructions should state that one should not rank any candidate one is not willing to support over alternatives. If there are twelve candidates on the ballot, and write-in votes are not allowed (is that the truth there)?, and a majority is not required, there should only be eleven ranks, not twelve. Otherwise the ballot encourages the behavior you don't like.

But with write-in votes allowed, you need twelve ranks to cover a single allowed write-in. So that's thirteen candidates. And then the ballot instruction is important, because otherwise voters will imagine they are voting maximally against a candidate with a ranking of 12th. Instead, in these conditions, it's a vote for a candidate as against any possible write-in, including one the voter might well have preferred if aware that a write-in candidate had a prayer.

You are right, there is a problem, but it isn't with the rule that continues to the end, it's with voter education. If a majority is not required, though, it's moot. But with better preferential voting methods than IRV, there is indeed a difference between A>B and A.

I'm not at all convinced that full ranking provides useful information beyond the first few ranks. With Bucklin, three ranks are pretty obviously enough. In reality, in Bucklin elections, udner some conditions, only a bit over 10% of voters even used additional ranks.

It's not about later-no-harm, it's about how much information the voters have. If they have a strong preference for a frontrunner over all others, truncating is a perfectly sensible vote. It gets even more sensible if it's a runoff system.

If your voting method does indeed require a majority, why in the world do you add that 12th preference? By adding it, you are contributing to the community acceptance of the result, by withholding it, you are asking for a possible second chance for your favorite.

If a majority is required, the absolute Later No Harm promise of IRV is false. That's been missed by focus on the method as deterministic.
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