On Aug 27, 2010, at 11:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
On Aug 27, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote:
On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:23 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
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still agree that Condorcet is better than IRV, but IRV is better
than FPTP. within the Racine camp (which is where i was a
volunteer and able to directly observe what was going on on
primary night) there were some pining for IRV believing that our
candidate would have prevailed if IRV was operative instead of FPTP.
I suspect that many are simply echoing the label they have heard
for Ranked Choice.
most people still don't know or get the difference between the
ranked-choice ballot and the STV method of tabulation.
Let IRV keep what it demonstrated in Burlington - but avoid
Condorcet getting scarred by that.
yup.
For another day I would promote Condorcet for the general
election, noting that that reduces the value of even having
primaries.
i think that, especially for a single-seat office, that parties
will want to proffer one candidate that is "our guy". then
primaries or caucuses or something is needed within the primary to
decide who their guy is. and in the U.S., the state governments
enacted laws regarding that to keep parties honest within
themselves. they didn't want major parties to select their
candidates solely within smoke-filled rooms. so most states
imposed primaries upon the parties and some imposed advanced
registration to a party to be eligible to vote in such primary.
The advanced registration makes sense to protect against invasion
with intent to destroy.
for better or for worse, Vermont (and a few other small states) do
not require advance registration. since the Republican candidate
(Brian Dubie) ran unopposed in the Republican primary, any GOPper
who was willing to sacrifice his/her participation in selecting
their candidates in lessor offices (or for US congress), could have
voted in the Dem primary to stir up trouble. in fact, the way it's
done in Vermont, you don't even ask for the ballot of the party you
want to vote in, they give you 3 ballots (1 GOP, 1 Dem, 1 Prog), you
fill one out, put it in the voting machine and toss the other two
ballots.
Being civilized is GOOD!
Helps if those that need it get corrected.
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