On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You could make a party list system that would arrange the list after the > election, yes. This would have a ballot where you first pick a party and > then order the party's candidates. Yes, the open party list system already exists in nations and Juho has discussed it nicely on this list. I think most open party list systems today allow voters to vote for the party and simply one candidate from that party. > > However, either the election method used within each party to determine the > list orders would be majoritarian (in which case the system isn't > proportional beyond the party level), Plurality is how it is done I believe. To have PR within the party would require some sort of party primary system I suppose to determine which candidates are on each list in the general election for each party. > or it would be PR (in which case you > could just as easily remove the party constraint and just use the PR method > directly). Then you don't have a party list system - Do you mean use STV again? > > I suppose a "party list with Condorcet for each party" method would both be > summable and inter-party proportional[1]. If the largest party fields n > candidates and there are k parties, then you would have an upper bound of k > * n^2 numbers, which is polynomial in the summability sense. You would in > essence do k "mini-elections", one for each party. > > [1] that is, proportional between parties, if not inside each. > That is an interesting idea that would require a different ballot type than in existing party list systems whereby one could rank all the candidates within a particular party one votes for. In that case, we might want to return to the days where people cast a party ballot - but that brings up privacy concerns for some people -- but no more than registering for a political party and voting in a political party primary IMO. The nice feature of existing party list methods is that it allows the election of a large number of candidates to a large national body of legislators without requiring voters to rank individually a huge number of candidates. This makes the job for voters and election administrators much easier than asking voters to rank from among a huge number of candidates. (which makes me less inclined to even work on the on-the-fly party list system I have in mind - which would be probably only administratively and voter practical for electing smaller, more local bodies of representatives.) -- Kathy Dopp http://electionmathematics.org Town of Colonie, NY 12304 "One of the best ways to keep any conversation civil is to support the discussion with true facts." Fundamentals of Verifiable Elections http://kathydopp.com/wordpress/?p=174 View some of my research on my SSRN Author page: http://ssrn.com/author=1451051 ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
