On 12/27/2011 10:13 PM, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote:
Because of the great desirability of avoiding the ABE problem, it's
worth considering or looking at
all sorts of possible solutions.
MMPO and MDDTR are known to work fine, though they have vulnerability to
non-valid criticisms.
If you're referring to Kevin's example, I don't think you can call the
MMPO criticism inherently "non-valid". To quote yourself, in an earlier
post:
You (Kristofer Munsterhjelm -ed) wrote:
You could of course argue that "if I gave it to B, A would have been
just as unhappy, and if I gave it to A, B would have been just as
unhappy, so I dare you to show me the particular group that has been
wronged by this". I still think that you can say that you wronged the
two groups as a whole
[endquote]
Ok, sure. You may have wronged them collectively, by electing someone over whom
no one in either group prefers anyone other than their favorite.
The question is, how badly does that wrong them?
Badly enough to give up FBC, SFC, LNHa, CD, and Mono-Add-Plump?
The ABE problem might be a peculiarly American problem. I don't expect others
to recognize it as a problem. We have the Republocrats, and, additionally, lots
of
small factions who are terribly mutually antagonistic, jealous, and
rivalry-inclined; but
which, together, might add up to a majority.
This, I took to mean that with MMPO, you pay some to get some
compliances you want. You "pay" by having the method exhibit the strange
results in Kevin's example, and you get FBC, SFC, LNHarm, etc., in return.
Furthremore, your "might be a pecuilarly American problem" then suggests
that there's nothing inherently non-valid about the criticism. You say
that it is non-valid from your own point of view, where you think the
tradeoff made by MMPO is worth it. Others (like me) may have different
opinions. Saying that you're willing to make the tradeoff is quite a
different thing than saying that the criticism (e.g. MMPO's Plurality
failure) is inherently invalid.
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