Does anyone here know the strategy of MJ? Does anyone here know what valid 
strategic claims can be made for it? How would one maximize one’s utility in an 
election with acceptable and completely unacceptable candidates who could win? 
How about in an election without completely unacceptable candidates who could 
win?

And no, I don't mean refer to a website. The question is do YOU, as an MJ 
advocate, know what MJ's strategy is?

Of course, if anyone here advocates MJ, then they, themselves, should know MJ’s 
strategy, and its advantages and disadvantages, and be able to state them here.

I’m just guessing, but isn’t MJ’s strategy the same as that of RV? (Maximum 
rating for candidates you’d vote for in Approval, and minimum points for 
candidates you wouldn’t vote for in Approval).

And surely the u/a strategy of MJ is to max-rate the acceptables and min-rate 
the unacceptables.

But of course MJ differs from RV in the following way: In RV, if you rate x 
higher than y, you’re reliably, unquestionably, helping x against y. In MJ, of 
course that isn’t so. In fact, if you like x and y highly, and at all 
similarly, and rate sincerely, then you’re unlikely to help one against the 
other, at all.

Another difference is that, in MJ, even if you correctly guess that you’re 
raising a candidate’s median, you can’t know by how much.

Suppose x is your favorite. y is almost as good. Say the rating range is 0-100. 
You sincerely give 100 to x, and 90 to y.

Say I prefer y to x, and, as do you, I consider their merit about the same. If 
I rated sincerely, I’d give y 100 and x 90.

But, unlike you, I don’t vote sincerely. Because x is a rival to y, and maybe 
also because I expect you to rate sincerely, I take advantage of your sincerity 
by giving y 100, and giving x zero.

Because different people have different favorites and near-favorites, your high 
rating of x and y is probably above those candidates’ median ratings. So you’re 
raising the medians of both candidates, with no particular reason to believe 
that you’re raising one’s median more than that of the other.

In our above-described example, that’s what you’re doing: Raising the medians 
of x and y. Probably by about the same amount. I, however, am raising y's 
median and lowering x's median. You’re raising my candidate’s median, and I’m 
lowering your candidate’s median. You aren’t helping x against y. I’m helping y 
against x.

You’ve been had. 

At least in RV, you’d have reliably somewhat helped x against y.

There's something familiar about that strategy situation :-)  MJ fully has the 
co-operation/defection problem.

Discussion of a method’s strategy shouldn’t have to come from someone who 
doesn’t advocate that method.

A tip: Don’t have confidence in a method whose advocates evidently don’t know 
its strategy.

Another thing: Just as one example, try MJ on the Approval bad-example. What 
you thereby find out is that, to be usable, MJ needs bylaws and patches, such 
as to make it too wordy and elaborate (and arbitrary?) to be publicly 
proposable. 

Mike Ossipoff
 


                                          
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