2012/4/1 robert bristow-johnson <[email protected]> > On 4/1/12 2:23 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:42 AM, MIKE OSSIPOFF (whom i've plonked) wrote: >> >>> Dave: >>> >>> You wrote: >>> >>> Which leaves me promoting Condorcet. It allows ranking but, unlike >>> ABucklin or IRV, all that a voter ranks gets counted. Further, any >>> voter able to match their desires to Plurality or Approval for a >>> particular election, can vote by those rules and have them counted >>> with the same power by Condorcet rules. >>> >> Why bother? I see Fine and Soso as best so would consider approving >> both. Trouble is that this would imply equal liking, perhaps getting Soso >> elected while I like Fine much better. >> >> With Condorcet I can rank Fine above Soso, so that my ranking can improve >> the chance of Fine getting elected, while Soso has a chance if Fine fails. >> > > the question the Approval guys never seem to answer is: "Do I or do I not > approve my 2nd choice?" (It is a similar question to the counterpart in > Range/Score: "How high do I rate my 2nd choice?")
There are many answers to that question, depending on how simple you want it, and how much polling information you have. I understand that many answers is in some cases as bad as none. > Approval applies a burden of tactical voting to the voter right from the > start. perhaps someone will want to bury a candidate they sorta like but > who is not their favorite, to help their favorite win. This is true. > if they don't Approve, then how much Bayesian regret will result when > they find out their favorite was not in the running at all and their 2nd > choice lost narrowly to someone they hated? if they do Approve, how much > regret will result when their favorite lost narrowly to their 2nd choice? > The good thing is, the simple answer to both of these questions is "less than with plurality". > > so with me, the Score and Approval advocates do not get past square 1 > because of that. Well, if square 1 is plurality, then I'd strongly disagree. If square 1 is "what's the best possible voting system", then I'm not sure what square 2 would be, but I'd still agree, as I think most people here would. Jameson > > > -- > > r b-j [email protected] > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge." > > > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info >
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