Good Morning, Kristofer

re: "Whether this [the assertion that elections impart upon a
     system an element of aristocracy] is a good or bad thing
     depends upon whether you think aristocracy can work.  In
     this sense, 'aristocracy' means rule by the best, i.e. by a
     minority that is selected because they're in some way better
     than the rest at achieving the common good."

Whether or not 'rule by the best' can work depends in large part on how well the electoral method integrates the reality that the common good is dynamic. Those who are 'the best' at one time and under one set of circumstances may not be 'the best' at another time and under different circumstances.


re: "The pathological form of aristocracy is oligarchy, where
     there's still a minority, but it's not chosen because it's
     better.  If aristocracy degenerates too far or too quickly
     into oligarchy, that would negate the gains you'd expect to
     see from picking someone who's 'better' rather than just by
     chance alone."

Precisely. That is the underpinning of the notion that elections must be frequent and must allow the participation of the entire electorate. Frequent to forestall the development of an oligarchy; full participation to ensure that all views of the current time and circumstances are voiced and considered.


re: "... the collection of rules that make up the electoral
     system has a significant influence on both the nature of
     politics in that country as well as on the quality of the
     representatives."

Which is the reason we seek the best conception for a democratic electoral method.


re: "Thus, it's not too hard for me to think there might be sets
     of rules that would make parties minor parts of politics.
     Those would not work by simply outlawing parties,
     totalitarian style.  Instead, the rules would arrange the
     dynamics so that there's little benefit to organizing in
     parties."

The rules (or goals) must accommodate the fact that parties, interest groups, factions and enclaves are a vital part of society. They are the seeds from which new or different ideas germinate and lead civilization forward. Outlawing parties would be an outrage against humanity.

The threat we must fear is not the existence of parties, it is letting parties control government. We will be best served by devising rules (or setting goals) that welcome partisans while ensuring they maintain a persuasive rather than a controlling role in the election process.


re: "For instance, a system based entirely on random selection
     would probably not have very powerful parties, as the
     parties would have no way of getting 'their' candidates into
     the assembly. Of course, such a system would not have the
     aristocratic aspect either."

The closing sentence is what makes sortition a poor option (in my view). It strives to achieve mediocrity rather than meritocracy.


re: "Hybrid systems could still make parties less relevant: I've
     mentioned a 'sortition followed by election within the
     group' idea before, where a significant sample is picked
     from the population and they elect representatives from
     their number.  Again, parties could not be sure any of
     'their' candidates would be selected at random in the first
     round. While that method tries to keep some of the selection
     for best, it disrupts the continuity that parties need and
     the effect of 'marketing' ahead of time."

I regret that I missed this discussion. The idea strikes me as one of considerable merit. At first blush, the major drawback seems to be that it denies us the benefit of partisan thought and action mentioned above.

Fred
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