Good Afternoon, Kristofer

re: "If we consider representative democracy as a proxy for
     direct democracy, to make the latter managable, then we
     could be even stronger: we'd want representatives that would
     act as we would if we had sufficient information and time."

That's a good way of putting it. Could it be improved by saying we want representatives that would act better than we act - by making rational rather than emotional decisions?


re: "There's a problem, though: it's hard to separate the
     categories (opinion and ability) from each other. If a
     representative says that we can't do X, is that because
     it's really a bad idea or because he's part of an oligarchy
     that benefits from not doing X? Similarly, if a
     representative says we should do X, does he mean that is a
     good idea, or is he trying to manage perceptions?

     Since it's hard to tell by the representatives' acts alone,
     that leaves the system. In an ideal case, the system
     discourages an oligarchy in the first place (rather than
     trying to patch things up when the oligarchy exists), while
     placing the good in positions as representatives."

As you say, it's hard to separate opinion and ability from each other - and it's impossible to do so from a distances. That's why the system must give us a way to gauge the judgment and integrity of candidates before they're elected. Once they take office, their decisions affect our lives. If we cannot conceive a system that lets us evaluate them as well as we're able before we elect them we are doomed to an endless repetition of our past.

Gauging the judgment and integrity of an individual can never be perfect, but we can get better insight into a person's character through face-to-face interaction than we can in any other way. If the interaction takes place in a competitive environment, it will bring out the vital distinctions needed to identify the better qualified candidates.


re: "If representative democracy is/should be a managable way of
     direct democracy, then we can also note that it doesn't, by
     itself, deal with the problem of opinions changing too
     rapidly, or of populism. Other parts of the system should
     handle that ..."

Therein lies the role of partisanship. Society is dynamic and people's perceptions and anxieties change. As particular concerns arise, their proponents will attract supporters. While the rabble-rousing effect of the media cannot be avoided, that influence can be ameliorated if partisans are given the facilities and encouraged to seek out their best advocates to outline their concerns and develop alternatives. When their views are shown to be in the interest of the community, their alternatives will be adopted, in whole or in part.


re: "In an electoral context, that might take the shape of not
     frequently re-electing the whole assembly but rather parts
     of it, or having different term limits depending on support,
     or requiring supermajorities or double majorities.)

Re-electing a portion of the assembly at each election provides a level of stability to government. Term limits, while important, become less so if the people have a mechanism to carefully examine candidates during each election cycle.

When I think of the size of majorities, I think of the life of our laws. At present, there is no provision for removing bad laws except by legislative action. We will be better served when the life of our laws depends on the size of the majority by which they are passed. Then, laws which barely pass will have to be re-enacted when they expire. This forces a re-examination of the law, after it has had an opportunity to accomplish the purpose for which it was passed. If it is found to be effective, it may attract a greater majority and a longer life.


re: "So the problem is not partisanship, but rather exclusively
     partisan decisions."

The problem is that the parties are allowed to control the people's access to their government. When the parties enact the rules by which elections are conducted, they control the way the people can interact with their government. Gerrymandering and school board elections (in my state) are screaming examples, and are but the tip of the iceberg. When the parties write the rules of engagement, democracy can not survive.


re: "It it were partisanship itself, the solution might have been
     easier, but what you're saying means that we should try to
     find a just-right spot instead: partisan influences not too
     strong (which is the case now) nor too weak."

Not exactly. What I'm saying is that the people, all the people, including non-partisans, must be allowed to participate in the political process. This is difficult because non-partisans, as a group, are not active in politics, "yet many of their most important concerns remain very political." (quote taken from The Report of the Commission on Candidate Selection - a board composed of the leaders of five large political parties in Great Britain - that investigated why parties are not representative of the people.) Conceiving a way to give non-partisans a meaningful way to influence the political process is a serious undertaking.


re: "What do you think of proportional representation systems?
     Are they closer to that sweet spot than are majoritarian
     systems?"  Are they close enough?

They are almost certainly better than a two-party system, but they are not close enough for a fundamental reason. Parties, by definition, have a narrower focus than the people. They can never represent more than a portion of the people's concerns.


re: "Still, if aristocracy (in the original sense) decays to
     oligarchy too quickly, then sortition might be 'the worst
     except for all the others'."

Sortition would be an improvement over what we (in the U.S.) have today. It would at least raise the level of governance to average. I prefer to set my sights higher. We have, among us, no shortage of superior individuals. All we lack is a means of seeking them out and raising them to elective office as our representatives. My hope is that we can conceive a means of doing so.


re: (with regard to whether a hybrid sortition system would deny
    us the benefit of partisan thought and action) "... perhaps
    parties would become support organizations of opinion."

I think they would, but it would be frustrating because the chance of achieving their goal would be severely reduced. Would it be possible to include random choices from among those who identify themselves as party members and random choices from among the non-partisans, with the number of choices proportional to the size of the group?

Fred
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