At 11:51 AM 3/14/2013, Ralph Suter wrote:
The historical perspective by Abd ul-Rahman Lomax posted by Richard Fobes has a number of inaccuracies. It is apparently a "top of the head" summary based on memories of what others, including myself, had written several years ago.

Yes. I just wrote it. I did not go back and review the e-mail from Mr. Suter.

The organization now named FairVote began with a two-day organizing meeting (not a conference) of about 75 people held in Cincinnati in the spring of 1992. Its initial name was Citizens [not Center] for Proportional Representation, with an exclamation point intentionally included with its acronym (CPR!). The name was changed a year or so later to Center for Voting and Democracy (CVD), then 10 or so years after that to FairVote.

I don't recall seeing that name before, but maybe that's just my poor memory. It really doesn't matter. The essence of what I wrote is being confirmed, but Ralph provides some significant new information. My point here, by the way, was just to explore an example of how activists take over, it's in the nature of activism, as others were saying. It is, I believe, possible to avoid this hazard *without* sacrificing the energy of activists. But it takes a certain kind of initial organization, I suspect. And, generally, nobody knows how to do that.

Virtually the entire focus of the 1992 meeting was on advocacy of proportional representation. Single winner voting was discussed very little.

Right. Single-winner elections guarantee, under the *best* of conditions, that up to 50% of the voters are not represented. It can easily be worse than that! (In San Francisco, RCV (IRV) candidates have won with less than 40% of the vote.)

I attended the meeting after having learned about it from two articles about the need for PR in the US and an announcement/open invitation published in In These Times magazine. As I recall, they were written or co-written by Matthew Cossolotto, the meeting's leading organizer.

The decision to strongly promote Instant Runoff Voting (a name that was chosen after a number of other names were used or considered), was made only several years after the organization was formed.

Yes. That history has been described elsewhere.

The main reasons for promoting IRV rather than other single winner methods were initially political.

As I wrote.

The thinking was that it would be much easier to sell, as a logical improvement to familiar, widely-used runoff elections, than other methods.

And that logic was not widely debated and questioned. The decision was made by a small group, as a *political strategy.*

And in any case, CVD's leaders regarded single winner reforms as much less important than proportional representation.

Who were they? Further, there may be some set of "leaders" who thought that, but activists tend to become focused on specific goals, the near-term.

IRV was seen as a kind of "foot-in-the-door" reform that could pave the way to much more significant PR reforms.

Yes. It even made a kind of sense, *if* one assumes that that PR will use STV. The position also missed something important, certainly in the history of voting system reform. It missed that the *target* had become the most widely-used reformed voting method. Reading back over political science documents in the early part of the last century, runoff voting was considered a very important reform. Yes, it has one major problem, Center Squeeze, but IRV has the same problem.

I don't think there has ever been much serious discussion among the organization's leaders about the pros and cons of IRV and other single winner methods, though I think it's unfair to suggest, as Abd seems to, that they have been intentionally deceptive in their arguments favoring IRV.

Well, what I've suggested is not being "intentionally deceptive," but being "willfully negligent." There are various common arguments about IRV that are frequently advanced by FairVote, and some of them are highly misleading, and if Rob Richie, for one, doesn't know that, he's turning away from clear evidence, and we have seen that. He's an *activist*, and activists argue to win, not to tell the plain truth. His career depends on being perceived as successful, and it would probably take sophistication that he doesn't possess to see how to pursue the *original goals* of his organization without being deceptive at all. He only needs to be deceptive, to suppress what "would only confuse people," -- in other words, might risk a lowering of support for what he believes is good for ... the cause ... because he set a tactical goal that was poorly chosen.

In addition, a leading FairVote advocate of IRV (though he first called it "majority preferential voting") was John Anderson, the 1980 independent presidential candidate. Anderson published a New York Times op-ed about it in July 1992, shortly after the CPR! organizing meeting (the url is <http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/24/opinion/break-the-political-stranglehold.htmllehold>http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/24/opinion/break-the-political-stranglehold.htmllehold). Soon after that he joined the CVD board of directors and has been an active, influential board member, serving for many years as its chair (he's now listed as chair emeritus). Although I have no information about the board's internal deliberations, I suspect the organization has been more influenced by Anderson and other board members and less dominated by long-time executive director Rob Richie than some people have believed.

I've seen what happens in nonprofits. It is rare for a nonprofit board to restrain the Executive Director. I was on a nonprofit board where the ED was actually violating the law, risking a great deal, including the whole future of the organization. All in a good cause, mind you. (And I mean that, I'm not claiming that she was a bad person or something like that.) When I protested, as a Board member, I was considered a "trouble-maker" and encouraged to resign. I've seen this happen with other nonprofits, and few stay and fight. Often, the other board members are personal friends, and the whole experience can be excruciating.

My sense is that the strategy came from Richie, but certainly he may have consulted the board. Now, how did it happen that there were not effective and knowledgeable voting system experts on the board? Ralph, you tell the story....

My own biggest disagreement with FairVote is that it has never, itself, been a truly democratic organization.

When I became interested in voting systems, it was still CVD, and we used to make the joke all the time, that CVD was for democracy everywhere except in their own process. It's not uncommon, actually, among advocates for "democracy." They don't actually trust the people, the demos.

At the 1992 founding meeting, I was under the impression that it would be incorporated as a member-controlled organization. In fact an initial board of directors was elected at the meeting using a PR procedure (STV as I recall).

Bingo.

Only several years later did I learn that the organization was incorporated as a conventional nonprofit organization controlled by a self-perpetuating board (i.e., the board chooses all new board members). The initial board was selected by Matthew Cossolotto and the other incorporators and was not the board elected at the founding meeting.

Again, personal control. It's *very* limiting. Those founders could have worked with the original elected board, but .... it might have restrained them! If these were political activists, that's the last thing they wanted.

As a result of how it was incorporated, the organization has never been open to pressure from members (since it doesn't have any) regarding its positions on IRV and other issues. I initially supported it with a couple of donations, but I'm no longer a supporter and have been dismayed by its positions on IRV and some other issues and by its failure to become a democratic membership organization.

What we found -- many of us attempted to cooperate with FairVote -- was that it was totally closed to *advice.*

It occurs to me to give an example of deceptive arguments.

http://www.fairvote.org/instant-runoff-voting#.UUOJ9FK9ofw
Upholding the principle of majority rule and accommodating genuine voter choice are marks of a well-functioning democracy. That's why we encourage understanding, adoption and effective implementation of instant runoff voting, a ranked choice voting system used in a growing number of American elections.

"Majority rule." Great idea. The reality of IRV in actual elections is that when there are more than very few candidates, and in nonpartisan elections (and many of the implementations have been for nonpartisan elections), the system fails to find a majority of votes. It's essentially useless, the results almost always confirm first-preference. In real runoff elections, the runner-up wins about a third of the time. The equivalent (runner-up in first preference becoming the winner) only happens with nonpartisan IRV, sometimes, when the first round results are very close.

Now, many arguments can be raised on this issue. Supposedly runoff elections are a problem because of low turnout. However, history has shown that when the public is highly interested in a runoff, they turn out in droves. Low turnout in runoff elections indicates that the public mostly doesn't care about the choice. And so those who are more highly motivated vote. This, from Bayesian Regret theory, indicates that comeback elections probably improve overall public satisfaction with the result. Some political theorists simply, knee-jerk, think that low turnout is *bad.* Maybe. But isn't it fairly obvious that it means that the people who don't vote don't care about the choice being presented?

Real runoff voting allows dark horses to win. In nonpartisan elections, again, to win with IRV requires rising all the way up to top position in one fell swoop. With real runoff, they only need to get up to second position. In some improved runoff voting systems, they might manage to win by getting up to third position, but that gets complicated. The main effect is that by placing in the primary, then they get serious attention, and their supporters, who might have despaired of winning in the primary -- and some of whom therefore stayed home, perhaps -- turn out preferentially in the runoff, whereas the supporters of the frontrunner may have been only weak supporters. Some of them might change their vote, but, more likely, they don't care enough to turn out.

However, runoff voting could be improved, and that's what FairVote totally disregarded. Because their goal was the STV voting method, improving runoff voting was the *last* thing they wanted to do! Then they might lose their opportunity. But this set them up for a conflict of interest. They were advising municipalities on a single-winner system, but behind that was a different, not-disclosed motive.

My purpose here was actually to look at how FairVote presents information about Robert's Rules of Order and IRV. Looking only for recent statements, I found

http://www.fairvote.org/good-things-come-to-those-who-rank#.UUOPIlK9ofw

Instant runoff voting is a ranked choice voting system that allows voters to rank candidates in order of preference. Recommended by Robert's Rules of Order and used in a rapidly growing number of elections here and abroad, it represents a major improvement over the usual plurality-based and two-round systems of voting. It protects majority rule, eliminates the need for costly extra elections and all but eradicates the potential chaos of "spoiler" candidacies. But beyond its clearly established benefits, we are seeing anecdotal evidence that suggests that IRV has a positive effect on the influence of big money on elections, and mitigating the temptation for campaigns to "go negative."

The data on which I based my estimate of one-third of real runoffs being "comeback elections" was based on a FairVote study. Then I looked at San Francisco and other results. "Instant" comeback elections are rare, and majority failure is common. There are contrary opinions on the issue of negative campaigning; FairVote simply cites someone's impression. What, again, are the "established benefits"? Spoilers can afflict IRV, IRV only works with *minor party spoilers,* where a few percent of votes going to a hopeless candidate can then flip the election to the candidate whom those voters would prefer to the plurality winner. There are *plenty* of solutions to this problem. Runoff voting solves it, and where write-ins are allowed in runoffs it's actually possible to fix Center Squeeze, once the real positions of candidates are known.

But there are, quite simply, much better methods for addressing the problems. IRV looks good in one narrow circumstance: partisan minor-party spoilers, where there are predictable vote transfers, i.e., say, Green Party to the Democratic Party, as in Bush v. Gore v. Nader. In Burlington, where there are three parties at rough parity, IRV failed badly.

http://www.fairvote.org/instant-runoff-voting-used-for-major-organizational-elections-based-on-roberts-rules-of-order/#.UUOQElK9ofw

<http://www.robertsrules.com/>Robert's Rules of Order (RRO) has been the basis for dozens of major private associations and more than fifty colleges and universities choosing to elect officers with instant runoff voting . RRO clearly <http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=1797>spells out the rules for an instant runoff elections, to the point that association bylaws often simply say "officers shall be elected by preferential voting as detailed in Robert's Rules of Order."

RRO recommends IRV (which it calls "preferential voting," a term also used to describe IRV in Australia) when association members aren't all in the same place and able to engage in repeated balloting.

Right. But Bucklin was also called "American Preferential Voting," and, in fact, the term refers to any ranked ballot, and it could be extended easily to Range Voting, where preference *strength* can be expressed. Does RRO claim that the rules they give are superior to other forms of PV? No.

I've been told that RRO is not a theoretical manual, it's a manual of actual practice, and the form in wide enough use for them to be able to refer to it is STV. They are simply describing what is done. And, from the commentary, you can tell that they don't like it. We'll get to that.

All the organizational bylaws FairVote has examined with IRV rules follow the model we recommend them for public elections, with one round of voting, and the winner being the candidate who has a majority of votes in the final round of counting.

Right. Now, it's *implied, by context and presentation,* that this is what RRO recommends, remember, so many organizations just refer to RRO's method. They don't mention the difference between what RRO actually describes and what these organizations allegedly do. (In at least one major case, the organization doesn't actually do what FairVote claims, I'll get to that.)

RRO points out that election officials should instruct voters of the risk of majority failure if voters fail to rank all the candidates, because, then, *the election will have to be repeated.* Parliamentarians *never* recommend restricting elections, unconditionally, to a single ballot, and they never allow candidate elimination, either. Rather, a repeated election generally requires new nominations. They recommend preferential voting, and educating voters to rank fully, precisely to avoid unnecessary runoffs. Parliamentary rules never allow *any* decision to be made without a majority approving it.

The phrase "majority of votes in the final round of counting," is a cute phrase that lots of people don't understand. They think it simply means "majority of votes." No, PV in Robert's Rules of Order is seeking a true majority, not a "majority of last-round ballots," from which *many votes have been eliminated.* Robert's Rules requires an *actual majority of votes.* IRV doesn't consider all the people who just voted against both of the top two in the last round. In a real runoff, no write-ins allowed, they could then decide if they wanted to vote or not, and they might well be better informed. If write-ins are allowed, they can actually, if the numbers and community consideration warrant it, to run a write-in campaign. It's been done, and it worked.

But there is a far better method than IRV, that is more efficient at finding true majorities, and that's been used in the U.S., more extensively than IRV ever was, here. Bucklin. Unlike IRV, it's a "count all the votes" method, i.e, a form of Approval Voting, but it is also preferential voting, using a ranked ballot. IRV can fail to find a majority because it can eliminate the true majority preference, before all the votes are counted. (Bucklin can do this, technically, but it's rare and involves multiple majorities.)

The simple reform recommended first by the Center for Election Science is Approval Voting, simply Count All the Votes. But most people, I think, prefer to be able to rank candidates, and making the Approval cutoff decision can be difficult; Bucklin makes it much simpler. And even better reforms are possible.

FairVote took over the voting systems field, dominating it, and very possibly, by *succeeding* in getting IRV passed in some places, making future reforms more difficult. After you've been connned once, you may well be suspicious of people promoting another "new" system. Bucklin isn't new though, so ... maybe. FairVote has put a fair amount of energy into attacking Bucklin....

[...]
Associations electing top officers with IRV (some of which have very hotly contested elections) [...] American Political Science Association (the leading professional organization for the study of political science, with more than 15,000 members in over 80 countries)....

They always mention the APSA since, supposedly, political scientists would use the best system, right? Well, the APA has apparently *never* held a PV election. The rules are designed to avoid elections entirely. A nominating committee -- selected by the President -- is tasked with coming up with a single nominee, who is then presented to the annual convention, and is normally elected by acclamation there. Floor nominations are possible, though, and if there are three candidates or more, they would use PV by mail ballot. The bylaw seems to go back a century, when PV was the latest and greatest.

Now, there are also committees elected, N-winner. Hey, great application for STV! But ... no, as I recall, it's majority-at-large. Vote for N. The candidates with the most votes win. (So a majority faction, if one existed, can simply elect all the committee members.)

And then they go directly to RRO, but first, they need to frame it for you. I did not have a copy of RRONR, the more recent edition that describes PV, so I depended, for some time, on the FairVote description, and simply accepted what they were saying, with the framing. That's how powerful framing facts can be. When one reads the facts, one easily reads *into them* what has been said. And I was reasonably well informed! So when I read the RRO excerpt, I thought, yes, that's IRV all right! (And I was puzzled that parliamentarians would do this!)

http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=1797

Robert's Rules of Order on Instant Runoff Voting
Robert's Rules of Order (RRO), the well-known guide to fair procedures, makes the point that an election by a mere plurality may produce an unrepresentative result. It recommends voting methods that can determine a majority winner when electing single-seat offices.

"Can determine?" Yes, if all voters rank all candidates, IRV will determine a majority winner. Not necessarily the best one, it could be far from that, but it will be mathematically a majority of all votes.

At conventions of private organizations, etc., where the electors can cast repeated ballots, RRO prefers a system that allows open ended repeat balloting with no runoff eliminations to finally elect a majority winner.

Yes, they are telling the truth here. In fact, they don't allow anything else unless a bylaw ordains it.

Organizations, in fact, make their own rules, Robert's Rules only has authority of the organization implements the rules through a bylaw. RRO dislikes election by plurality, the parliamentarians consider that very unwise. It doesn't particularly like mail ballot, but it is recognized that some organizations consider a mail ballot as possibly more representative. So they then suggest *if you must* conduct a mail election, you can use preferential voting, and then they describe one method.

Such a system may be time consuming but can allow a compromise candidate to emerge after a number of ballots.

A sane preferential voting system can do that *usually* with one ballot. Unless you coerce voters, demanding that they rank all candidates, no voting system can guarantee a true majority. But real organizations do, in deliberative process, settle. What voting systems experts know -- and parliamentarians are not voting systems experts, generally, but they *talk with them* -- is that advanced voting systems can speed up the process.

A parliamentarian, however, will *never* recommend that an organization use plurality voting, and this is the tragedy: with nonpartisan elections, preferential voting, with no genuine majority requirement, using the candidate elimination system of single-winner STV -- i.e, IRV -- almost never produces different results from plurality voting. So all those organizations actually using IRV, for what are almost always nonpartisan elections, are simply running a fancy form of plurality voting. Of course, when there are not a lot of candidates, which is what usually happens, someone may get a majority, and IRV blesses this, and if voters have ranked enough candidates, again, there is the appearance of a majority, and it might be real.

However, in elections where open-ended re-voting is not practical, such as in elections by mail (or governmental elections), instant runoff voting (called "preferential voting" in RRO) is the recommended procedure.

Notice that 2-round elections are completely glossed over. And the procedure *actually recommended* still *requires* a majority of votes cast (and, by the way, the basis for majority includes spoiled ballots, with *any writing on them at all.*)

In the section detailing the procedure for conducting an instant runoff election RRO states that "It makes possible a more representative result than under a rule that a plurality shall elect..... This type of preferential ballot is preferable to an election by plurality."

And they really haven't considered all the issues. It *could be better,* yes, but ... how much better? The parliamentarians who have put together RRO have not actually studied the real performance of IRV. Obviously, *on occasion* it can be better. But Approval, very simple, is better than IRV, that's what the evidence shows. If someone objects that IRV allows more than one vote to be active at a time, there is a way to count Approval that only considers one vote at a time. You basically count it like IRV, but pairwise. (And for the pair, if the voter approved both candidates, you *don't count the vote* -- so you are never counting more than one vote at a time from a voter.) I won't give the method, but it shows that the objection is purely formal. In the end, the only votes which actually count are those for a winner, you could eliminate all other votes and the winner would not change.

Having told you the meaning of the text, they then give you the text.

The full text is below. (Again, note that the term "preferential voting" is another one for instant runoff voting). It is from:

Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised
In Chapter XIII §45. 10th edition, 2000, pp. 411-414
(Used with permission from The Robert's Rules Association, <http://www.robertsrules.com/>www.robertsrules.com)

§45   VOTING PROCEDURE

Preferential Voting: The term preferential voting refers to any of a number of voting methods by which, on a single ballot when there are more than two possible choices, the second or less-preferred choices of voters can be taken into account if no candidate or proposition attains a majority. While it is more complicated than other methods of voting in common use and is not a substitute for the normal procedure of repeated balloting until a majority is obtained, preferential voting is especially useful and fair in an election by mail if it is impractical to take more than one ballot. In such cases it makes possible a more representative result than under a rule that a plurality shall elect. It can be used only if expressly authorized in the bylaws.

Notice that in this section, RRO is not referring to the specific method called STV. So they have *not* stated that the PV method they detail is better than plurality. But having been prepared by the introduction, it's easy to miss this.

Preferential voting has many variations. One method is described here by way of illustration.

On the preferential ballot­for each office to be filled or multiple-choice question to be decided­the voter is asked to indicate the order in which he prefers all the candidates or propositions, placing the numeral 1 beside his first preference, the numeral 2 beside his second preference, and so on for every possible choice. In counting the votes for a given office or question, the ballots are arranged in piles according to the indicated first preferences­one pile for each candidate or proposition. The number of ballots in each pile is then recorded for the tellers’ report. These piles remain identified with the names of the same candidates or propositions throughout the counting procedure until all but one are eliminated as described below. If more than half of the ballots show one candidate or proposition indicated as first choice, that choice has a majority in the ordinary sense and the candidate is elected or the proposition is decided upon. But if there is no such majority, candidates or propositions are eliminated one by one, beginning with the least popular, until one prevails, as follows: The ballots in the thinnest pile­that is, those containing the name designated as first choice by the fewest number of voters­are redistributed into the other piles according to the names marked as second choice on these ballots. The number of ballots in each remaining pile after this distribution is again recorded. If more than half of the ballots are now in one pile, that candidate or proposition is elected or decided upon. If not, the next least popular candidate or proposition is similarly eliminated, by taking the thinnest remaining pile and redistributing its ballots according to their second choices into the other piles, except that, if the name eliminated in the last distribution is indicated as second choice on a ballot, that ballot is placed according to its third choice. Again the number of ballots in each existing pile is recorded, and, if necessary, the process is repeated­by redistributing each time the ballots in the thinnest remaining pile, according to the marked second choice or most-preferred choice among those not yet eliminated­until one pile contains more than half of the ballots, the result being thereby determined. The tellers’ report consists of a table listing all candidates or propositions, with the number of ballots that were in each pile after each successive distribution.

If a ballot having one or more names not marked with any numeral comes up for placement at any stage of the counting and all of its marked names have been eliminated, it should not be placed in any pile, but should be set aside. If at any point two or more candidates or propositions are tied for the least popular position, the ballots in their piles are redistributed in a single step, all of the tied names being treated as eliminated. In the event of a tie in the winning position­which would imply that the elimination process is continued until the ballots are reduced to two or more equal piles­the election should be resolved in favor of the candidate or proposition that was strongest in terms of first choices (by referring to the record of the first distribution).

Notice that eliminated ballots are put in a pile. FairVote activists have claim that then excludes them from the "majority" referred to above. They made that up, and that becomes obvious later. They are put in a separate pile because they need not be examined any more in this poll. The criterion being used for election is established at the beginning, and it is "more than half of the ballots." Notice that this includes *all ballots.* that have any mark on them. (That's detailed in other sections covering ballot spoilage. Blank ballots are "so much scrap paper," but a ballot with any mark is assumed to have been intended as a vote, even if it's unintelligible. They also treat ballots violating rules, like overvoting, the same way. The ballot is simply considered to be a vote against all the candidates!)

If more than one person is to be elected to the same type of office­for example, if three members of a board are to be chosen­the voters can indicate their order of preference among the names in a single fist of candidates, just as if only one was to be elected. The counting procedure is the same as described above, except that it is continued until all but the necessary number of candidates have been eliminated (that is, in the example, all but three).

Notice that this simplified STV system does not require any quota for election. "Majority" is not used. Really poor method, I have no idea why RRO does it this way. Okay, I know why. A real PR-STV system is too complicated, I suspect. This method is only a slight improvement over Plurality at large, because a majority faction can easily elect all the seats. (They are comfortable with that.)

When this or any other system of preferential voting is to be used, the voting and counting procedure must be precisely established in advance and should be prescribed in detail in the bylaws of the organization.

In other words, the statement above, "association bylaws often simply say "officers shall be elected by preferential voting as detailed in Robert's Rules of Order" violates RRO.

The members must be thoroughly instructed as to how to mark the ballot, and should have sufficient understanding of the counting process to enable them to have confidence in the method. Sometimes, for instance, voters decline to indicate a second or other choice, mistakenly believing that such a course increases the chances of their first choice. In fact, it may prevent any candidate from receiving a majority and require the voting to be repeated. The persons selected as tellers must perform their work with particular care.

They don't mention the problem that a single miscount can require a total recount, but they emphasize "particular care."

Notice that they *assume* that the election must be repeated if there is no majority. They could not be referring to the "last round majority" that FairVote IRV is seeking, because it is mathematically guaranteed. Very simple, setting aside ties, if you eliminate all ballots not containing a vote for the top two, one of them has a majority. Same as Plurality with two candidates! I've suggested that if they simply went more step, they'd have *unanimity.* Wouldn't that be better than a mere majority?

The system of preferential voting just described should not be used in cases where it is possible to follow the normal procedure of repeated balloting until one candidate or proposition attains a majority.

Now, remember, FairVote is working mostly for public elections. Almost all organizations can, if it's considered important, run at least two rounds, and a decent preferential voting system -- like Bucklin -- could easily make a second round relatively rare. A full-ranking Bucklin, in fact, could *guarantee* a majority result. (Standard Bucklin was really ranked Approval, so all votes on the ballot were Approvals. But Bucklin can be extended from that, plus it can by hybridized in various ways, to make for an extremely sophisticated system that, for example, will seek and find Condorcet winners, but this is not the place for that full system. FairVote turned away, deliberately, from election science, and went for a narrow political expediency. IRV was known as a poor system in the *19th century.*

(multiwinner STV is *far* better than single-winner IRV.)

And then RRO describes why they don't like the method:

Although this type of preferential ballot is preferable to an election by plurality, it affords less freedom of choice than repeated balloting, because it denies voters the opportunity of basing their second or lesser choices on the results of earlier ballots, and because the candidate or proposition in last place is automatically eliminated and may thus be prevented from becoming a compromise choice.

It's very clear that, if needed, RRO would consider two rounds better than one, and it's very possible to set up a system that discriminates quite well if the electorate is ready to make a decision with a first ballot or not. Two-round runoff, with vote-for-one, and elimination of all but the top two, is a very primitive system, but it can already be argued that it's better than one-poll IRV.

Like IRV, Bucklin was sold as a runoff eliminator. It worked, by the way, until later, in the last standing Bucklin implementations, into the 1940s (the heyday of Bucklin was around 1920), it was used for party primary elections, and voters tended to bullet vote, and majority failure was common. While there was an obvious fix: hold a runoff if there is majority failure, instead the jurisdictions went to .... top two runoff. And so they created Center Squeeze, which isn't so bad in party primaries.

In selling IRV, FairVote constantly repeats the theme of "find majorities without expensive runoff elections." In the San Franscisco Proposition that implemented IRV, the ballot information pamphlet explicitly explained that the winner would still be required to gain a majority of votes. That phrase has well-established meaning.

In Australia, in some states, they require all voters to rank all candidates on the ballot. The rules then specify the quota to win: an absolute majority of votes. In some states, though, they have "optional preferential voting," where the ballots are not spoiled if not completely ranked. And then the rules state the winning standard differently: a majority of all votes containing a vote for an uneliminated candidate, or similar language. (And they do, in fact, see frequent majority failure.)

The ballot information pamphlet stated the majority requirement, but if one read the actual change in the law, the second of the code requiring a majority was *removed*. Did voters know what they were voting for? I think it's not likely at all. People simply believed the propaganda.

The ballot information pamphlet was written by a independent commission, but ... a dollar to a donut that the language was supplied by FairVote. Or they simply believed FairVote and did not think of the effect of eliminated ballots. That's what's common.

In some races in San Francisco, there are well over twenty candidates for one Supervisor seat. In those races, ballot exhaustion is *common*, particularly because the ballot only allows three ranks.

I'll say it again: fancy and expensive and complicated form of plurality. SF elections demonstrate that. There are much better *and simpler* systems.

But, of course, they won't get FairVote their stepping stone to STV-PR. Unfortunately, IRV breakdowns may be postponing the day, not hastening it.

In fact, however, STV-PR is only one PR method. There are other methods that are theoretically superior. And, of course, there is Asset, which, if we want true, accurate proportional representation, blows all other methods out of the water. Invented in about 1883 by Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll) as a tweak on STV, allowing voters to vote for one and not see their ballot be therefore useless.
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