On 10/4/2013 4:19 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:

re: "... we shouldn't then be surprised that small scale
     direct democracy has its dynamics too. And I can
     definitely see situations where preexisting social
     oppression can spread into the social domain in a
     community where everybody knows everybody else.

    "As I also said in another post, we've had quite some
     history with that in the social realm in the small
     towns here (in Norway). It could get quite ugly: stand
     out from the crowd and you would find yourself shunned
     and nasty gossip would start to spread about you.
     Fortunately, this social conformity effect is no longer
     as strong, among other reasons since the people who
     live in such places can move more easily. (And as an
     aside, many do. Not just because of the oppressive
     small town effect, but because the jobs are to be found
     in larger cities -- though I imagine Norway is doing
     better than say, Sweden, in this respect: we have a
     deliberate element of decentralization in our policies.)

The nature of partisanship is that we seek out and align ourselves with others who share our views. The circumstances you describe show why, as groups predisposed to a particular attitude coalesce into larger groups, party systems aggregate 'preexisting social oppression'. That is why political parties are the antithesis of public interest groups. They deliberately shut out those outside their parochial view.

Have any of us not met someone shunned by our acquaintances, only to find the person more sensible than we were led to expect? As our understanding and appreciation of such individuals grows, our minds tend to blur our antipathy. In time, our former opinion no longer clouds our minds and we find we have grown.

We would be well advised to recall such instances because they will help us grasp the wisdom of, and the need for, a political infrastructure that arranges for those predisposed to a given attitude to be exposed to, and interact with, non-partisans, a process that broadens the horizons of the participants.

In other words, instead of letting socially oppressive groups coalesce into solid blocks committed to confrontation, we must find a way to encourage disparate groups to join in the pursuit of their common interest.


re: "There's an intuition that direct democracy is the
     natural state, and that it is definitely better than
     representative democracy, in particular where the
     representative democracy does a bad job of actually
     representing the people."

The intuition that direct democracy is the natural state would be reasonable if we lived in a state of nature. We don't. We live in an era dominated by mass communications and behavioral science, which combine into powerful tools for mass manipulation. To imagine direct democracy can exist under these circumstances is unwise.

Since modern representative democracies are party-based and "... representative democracy does a bad job of actually representing the people", ought we not consider the possibility that letting political parties name the candidates for elective office is an unsound practice?

Constructive resolution of political issues requires, first of all, lawmakers with the ability to recognize the value in various - sometimes competing - points of view, from the people's perspective. That is impossible for legislators elected to represent a partisan interest.

However intuitive direct democracy may seem, it can not work when the means of exploiting public opinion are commonly used to gain political advantage. The effect of such mass manipulation can only be minimized by reason. If political power is to reside in the people, the political infrastructure must give the people a way to reason their way through the issues that concern them. Such deliberation has been shown, repeatedly, to be most effective in small groups. There are countless academic studies that show this point. Here are a few:

* Esterling, Fung and Lee show that deliberation in small groups raises both the knowledge level of the participants and their satisfaction with the results of their deliberations. See Esterling, Kevin M., Fung, Archon and Lee, Taeku, Knowledge Inequality and Empowerment in Small Deliberative Groups: Evidence from a Randomized Experiment at the Oboe Townhalls (2011). APSA 2011 Annual Meeting Paper. Available at SSRN:

http://ssrn.com/abstract=1902664

* Pogrebinschi found that "... policies for minority groups deliberated in the national conferences tend to be crosscutting as to their content. The policies tend to favor more than one group simultaneously ...". See Pogrebinschi, Thamy, Participatory Democracy and the Representation of Minority Groups in Brazil (2011). APSA 2011 Annual Meeting Paper. Available at SSRN:

http://ssrn.com/abstract=1901000

* A study by Patrick R. Laughlin, Erin C. Hatch, Jonathan S. Silver, and Lee Boh of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, published in the APA Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, finds that group problem solving is more effective than problem solving by even the best individual expert. See

http://www.cooperationcommons.com/cooperationcommons/blog/samuelrose/163-study-groups-outperform-the-best-individuals-at-problem-solving

* 'Teaching problem solving through cooperative grouping. Part 2: Designing problems and structuring groups' found that formal cooperative groups need to stay together long enough to be successful. On the other hand, they should be changed often enough so students realize they can make any group successful -- that their success is not due to being in a "magic" group. Reported in American Journal of Physics, 60: 637-644. See

http://groups.physics.umn.edu/physed/Research/CGPS/FAQcps.html


re: "Maybe it would be better to say that direct democracy,
     while not perfect, is a good thing to try to emulate.
     Then we can deal with the problems of direct democracy
     when we get there - to the extent those dynamics also
     show up in whatever we're using to emulate it."

The observation that "those dynamics [i.e., personal discomfort in political meetings, pressure for social conformity, inter alia] also show up in whatever we're using to emulate it" is a powerful insight.

The dynamics affecting people's lives are what guide their individual decisions. Behavioral scientists use these dynamics to inspire manipulated responses. Reformers seeking to improve democracy must go in the other direction. They must provide an environment that strengthens the people's capability for deliberation and individual decision making. Attempts to change electoral methods, as in Burlington, Vermont, fail because they ignore the dynamics of human interaction. Democracy is about people and the dynamics that allow and encourage people to reach rational decisions provide the spring from which successful democratic reform will flow.


re: "From a control perspective, voting happens too
     infrequently. It would be like trying to keep a
     temperature by adjusting the power to the heater
     once every four (or two) years."

By far, the best solution to this problem was outlined by Marcus Pivato of the Department of Mathematics at Trent University in Ontario, Canada, in his paper Pyramidal Democracy. His article describing the process is published in the `Journal of Public Deliberation'.

Pivato moves beyond our common structures of political parties and periodic elections and outlines a permanent institution where the people can replace their representatives in the legislature 'on the fly', as the needs of the nation change.

The power of the system is vested in small groups of motivated citizens organized into a pyramidal hierarchy who participate in deliberative policy formation. Each group elects a delegate, who expresses the deliberative consensus of that group at the next tier of the pyramid. The process is a powerful meritocratic device, which channels legislative responsibility towards the most committed and competent citizens. It makes dynamic, responsive and democratic government possible. See

http://services.bepress.com/jpd/vol5/iss1/art8

Fred Gohlke
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