Sorry I must have misunderstood the question. Can you rephrase it? On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Scott Ringwelski <[email protected]> wrote:
> That did not answer my question at all. > > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Foré <[email protected]>wrote: > >> And also has also been said before, absolutely nothing whatsoever is >> changing about our monetary model. We're still giving away elementary and >> we're still providing a way for people to make donations. >> >> Today you can download Jupiter for free from the homepage. Today, you can >> donate to support elementary from the homepage. >> >> For the next design, you can download Luna for free from the homepage. >> And you can also donate to support elementary from the homepage. >> >> Nothing has changed from a logistic perspective. The only thing that has >> changed is the design of the homepage. That is all. >> >> We're not changing to a pay-only model. And we don't have significant >> enough funds to even discuss how to divide them up at all. >> >> If did have significant funds, this is absolutely something we'd bring up >> to the mailing list as we would want as much input as possible on figuring >> out how to decide who gets hired first. >> >> But the design of the homepage is not something everyone needs to *vote* >> on before we can implement it. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Scott Ringwelski <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this: >>> >>> 1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay >>> your developers. >>> 2. You just mentioned that it's best to have the people most involved in >>> the topic make the call. >>> 3. From this, we can clearly see that developers absolutely should be a >>> key part of the process of deciding how elementary will handle funding, >>> donations, etc. Yet, you somehow think that "this is a web design issue and >>> not something that needs to be run through you first for approval"? Now >>> that... that is absurd. >>> >>> Unless you plan to only pay yourself, this is absolutely something that >>> needs to be run through everybody. In fact, if there was one decision that >>> the whole elementary team should be involved in, it is this one. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Foré <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea. >>>> Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved >>>> in the topic make the call. >>>> >>>> When we're talking about a decision around our developer story, It's >>>> best to consult with our developers. >>>> >>>> When we're talking about a decisions around our design story, it's best >>>> to consult with our designers. >>>> >>>> With our Web story, our web team. >>>> >>>> Our translations, our (admittedly new) translation team. >>>> >>>> Requiring that everyone have a say in everything is not only going to >>>> lead to un-informed decisions, but it's going to slow our process way down. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ringwelski <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic, >>>>> whole-team decision making process rather than a more centralized decision >>>>> making process? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and >>>>>> responsibilities outside of elementary. That means that we're not always >>>>>> able to meet every week and discuss every issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something >>>>>> that needs to be run through you first for approval. But I'd be >>>>>> interested >>>>>> to find out from other people why they think we need to directly >>>>>> democratize our web design or any design for that matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you're upset because you can't get your demands met on a certain >>>>>> time schedule I'm afraid there's nothing I can do for you. You may not be >>>>>> aware, but this week celebrates our independence in the US. So there's a >>>>>> lot of family flooding in and I'm super busy juggling my very extended >>>>>> family. I can guarantee I won't be able to make the meeting again this >>>>>> Saturday because it's also my mother's birthday. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish you luck in your next endeavor and hope you don't harbor any >>>>>> ill will towards elementary. You're always welcome back at any time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Сергей Давыдов <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, it's been a week. In addition, a Council meeting should have >>>>>>> taken place three days ago. This seems to be quite enough time to >>>>>>> settle on something and write a reply. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To speed up the discussion, I stop pretending that everything is all >>>>>>> right and cease any work on elementary till I receive an answer to my >>>>>>> question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Daniel Foré >>>>>> >>>>>> elementaryos.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Daniel Foré >>>> >>>> elementaryos.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards, >> >> Daniel Foré >> >> elementaryos.org >> >> > -- Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org
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