If I sound a little too harsh, it's just, this is the only topic you've
posted about in the past 2 months, and you keep bringing it up...

But I think you are confusing amount of coding with amount of typing. When
you are coding, you spend much more time thinking than you do typing, so I
think measuring lines of code is a really bad way to measure how much
"coding" you are doing.

Sure, if you switch to a language with better design and higher-level
abstraction, that usually leads to shorter programs ... There's a reason
people switched from assembler to FORTRAN, for instance. But we have
decades of knowledge built up for how to write readable, testable, bug-free
code, and that often -- I would dare say, usually -- means making the text
of our code *longer* than it strictly needs to be.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM, António Ramos <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nick, sorry to mislead you about my intentions here.
> I´m just a curious guy. I´m not here to promote vuejs because i like
> diversity.
> In my path i tried some things and i´m just searching for better ones.
> If i´m here its because i´m not sure that vuejs is better because its
> not.Some things i like ad some things i like more in elm.
> But for a solo developer i need to keep things as codeless as possible.
>
> For those that think the same please read this
> ELM IS FANTASTIC
>
> but..
> i hate to code too much.. and its just that...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-06-09 15:20 GMT+01:00 Nick H <[email protected]>:
>
>> Antonio, this is the third time you've come around here trolling the list
>> with this weak argument.
>>
>> If you honestly think vuejs is better because its fewer lines of code,
>> then try it and leave us alone. Maybe try Elm when you are a little older...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Peter Damoc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Lines of code are important but are not always the best metric.
>>>
>>> Elm code explodes quickly when it comes to Lines of Code because of
>>> records and type annotations and let notations.
>>>
>>> A lot of that code could be written in a way that would minimize the
>>> lines of code but it hurts readability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:27 PM, António Ramos <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like the idea of elm but the todo mvc example has too many lines of
>>>> compared to some js frameworks like vuejs canjs and others.
>>>> My goal finding other js alternatives is to also code less.
>>>>
>>>> Elm has many good ideas but why should i code more if i can do the same
>>>> with less?
>>>>
>>>> 2016-05-13 17:50 GMT+01:00 Rex van der Spuy <[email protected]>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So what's the use case of ELM? I feel like I am in the middle of
>>>>>> building my deck with hammer and nails and people keep making new tools 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> throwing them at me - screws, screwdrivers, staples, staplers, power
>>>>>> drills. I am confused about knowing when to use what. I have so many such
>>>>>> 'design questions'  for example - why should i bother with Redis when I 
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> write and read json files right from my webpage into local storage. Maybe
>>>>>> there is a place where  these 'design' decisions are spelled out so we do
>>>>>> not have to reinvent the wheel every time. I would be grateful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Stefan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine that you're living in a world without hammers or nails.
>>>>> But, you need to nail two planks together.
>>>>> How do you do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the kind of world the web-development is in now.
>>>>> Nobody has yet invented the hammer or nail of software.
>>>>> And so we find ourselves in the midst of a wild, multi-decades long
>>>>> Cambrian explosion of evolutionary experimentation with tooling.
>>>>> Will the fundamental hammer and nail of software eventually emerge?
>>>>>
>>>>> Elm is in part a back-to-basic attempt to help find an answer.
>>>>> What's the simplest, easiest most reliable and most fun way to build
>>>>> software?
>>>>>
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