this guy is very good at it :)
2016-06-22 17:49 GMT+01:00 Joe Terry <joe.te...@gmail.com>:
> This is a really exciting time in the ELM community and I'm embracing the
> rapid ... breaking changes ... world that we are in now ... because the
> tools are in place (semantic versioning) for this to be a much, much more
> orderly world going forward than other ecosystems like NODEJS and what's
> going on over there ... Nightmare ...
> And I would love to be involved in educational tools as you describe ...
> it's a national economic imperative ... coding is working ... in the future
> unless you are an athlete or working with people in healthcare, law, the
> arts, etc. But for many if not most professions in 20 years and beyond, if
> you can't think logically or program computers in the most rudimentary way
> ... you will not be able to work.
> Great Stuff ... ELM is up to the task ... You are in the right place ...
> at the right time.
> Joe Terry
> The Software Sculptor
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:38:14 AM UTC-7, rud...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Further to the above (in case I'm not clear enough about what is IMO
>> missing for Elm to become "the missing link") I found this updated Space
>> Invaders code: https://ohanhi.github.io/base-for-game-elm-017.html
>> This 1.7 rewrite might be be near perfect as a foundation if only it took
>> the next step and added rudimentary graphics play. Although it could use
>> more documentation it is simple enough that I can almost understand the
>> skeleton. Would adding graphics be really easy? Could someone give me a
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:05:34 AM UTC-7, rud...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 4:12:22 AM UTC-8, Mohammad Alshafey
>>>> Is there sufficient material online for someone to learn Elm? It seems
>>>> that the examples available each use different libraries and functions and
>>>> each with some unique elements. There are no tutorials only basic
>>>> introductions. The core library documentations are very abstract and
>>>> lacking. Feeling stuck. I want to learn but there's nothing to go on!
>>> I had just decided to try and learn something and I'm also foundering.
>>> First: A lot -- I'm inclined to say "most" -- of the online learning
>>> material has been broken by the switch to version 1.7. "An Introduction to
>>> Elm" is only half there (the more useful half, where things are actually
>>> becoming graphical, is promised in "the next few weeks"....how many weeks
>>> exactly?). The online tutorial https://pragmaticstudio.com/elm has
>>> been removed. I have no doubt the move to subscriptions vs signals will be
>>> good in the long run but right now it is pretty painful right now.
>>> Second: Beyond this, even the existing docs are IMO too presumptive of
>>> prior knowledge. There are few/no line by line comments in "An
>>> Introduction to Elm", for one specific example. Doubtless that is because
>>> "everyone" already understands the line-by-line basics but, in fact, they
>>> don't. At least *I* don't.
>>> Suggestion: A single one page (52 line max but ideally less) graphical
>>> game MASSIVELY documented (I mean, don't let there be anything on the line
>>> which a reasonably intelligent sixth grader wouldn't already know go
>>> unremarked) would, I think, work wonders for Elm. Something as simple as
>>> a blob which could be moved in four directions on a screen to "eat" static
>>> "fruit" would work wonders. The working tetris (flatrus) game DOES work in
>>> 1.7 but it is way, way, way too complicated for tutorial purposes --
>>> especially since if follows the practice of basically assuming people don't
>>> need line by line comments). With the most simplistic of graphical games
>>> MASSIVELY overdocumented a solid foundation of understanding and playing
>>> with Elm could be laid. A great follow on would be to step-by-step (over
>>> explaining every step) build on that base. For example, add a counter. Add
>>> reset buttons. Add movement to the fruit. Etc.
>>> I would love to participate in development / documentation of such a
>>> thing but I can't figure out how to get to the basic level of understanding
>>> of what is going on. FYI I have only the most basic level of "basic"
>>> HTML nor how to design a webpage. I am, therefore, a perfect candidate for
>>> a student. My motivation for wanting a really, really, really easy on-ramp
>>> to Elm? (1) Of the functional languages Elm is, or could be, the most
>>> approachable and "playable" (2) I would like to teach Em to 6th graders as
>>> an on-ramp to functional programming and, then, to functional thinking.
>>> These kinds of simplistic and "obvious" games existed once upon a time;
>>> that is how I learned to write BASIC programs a long time ago. Can Elm
>>> bring that simplicity back? Looking at some of the short code examples I
>>> believe so. But the documentation still is very, very poor unless you are
>>> already pretty much up to speed on what is going on.
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